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 Re: The Cocktail Party Theory of Classical Music
Author: Tony Pay 2017
Date:   2005-07-15 17:08

Lelia Loban wrote:

>> I think that phrases are ending-oriented, too, in speech and in music.>>

I know what you mean -- however, in all this discussion, I have been using the word 'phrase' to mean, 'a group of notes that lies under a slur written by the composer' -- so a 'classical phrase' only means such a group of notes written by a classical composer like Mozart.

It's in that sense of the word 'phrasing' that one can come to say, "classical phrasing is 'beginning-oriented'". (To say that such a phrase was 'ending-oriented' would mean that it culminated in its final note.)

It seems to be very difficult to restrict the use of the word to this meaning. Your post, Lelia, though incorporating much intelligence, insight and charm (as usual:-), nevertheless has the effect of muddying these particular waters.

I'd love to have you see clearly the power and beauty of the other approach, which allows a classical composer to write one phrasemark over a setting of, "We can be", and another phrasemark over the setting of "happy", and have both phrases be beginning-oriented, even though there is continuity between the two phrases, and the second phrase bears more weight.

See the details of 'Phrasing in Contention'.

Tony

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