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 Re: One in Four Classical Musicians Use Beta Blockers
Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date:   2006-03-30 16:42

Hi Sylvian -

I do still believe that way about my fellow artists as a whole - and I do believe that there are open minded, intelligent, sensitive, etc, members of this BBoard community irrespective of our present and differing points of view. Willingness to engage in good faith debate in and of itself is an act of open mindedness IMO. (Perhaps those that choose to refer to legitimate use of medicine for psychological purposes specifically as "Doping" are lagging behind a bit - but hopefully they will reconsider after open discussions such as these.)

The reason that I have repeated that BBlockers should be used as a last resort is exactly BECAUSE one isn't always the best judge about one's self. (sorry for the caps, I don't know how to bold text here). Before that final decision is made, I've recommended to all of my students that they try everything possible to use other methods to gain some mastery and objectivity regarding their individual situation, ie. referrals to psychologists, reading, etc. Many others here have also contributed suggestions along those lines.

You said earlier that, "Music is not professional sport, we are not talking about *enhancing* one's abilities, but simply bringing stress levels under control in order to show one's *true* abilities."

I couldn't agree more.

And further you stated in a follow-up post that, "Nothing in what I read about beta blockers mentions enhancement of motor skills and/or musical knowledge. On the contrary, what I read is that the motor skills might be slightly impaired by beta blockers..." which further clarifies and supports your first statement.

You also state that my rhetoric suggests that "...all BB users are well rounded individuals who are using them only to get to a "normal" state."

Yes, to THEIR normal. Well rounded in the sense that they understand that use of BBlockers only go so far as to help one show their *true* abilities and that it is inherently impossible to therefore abuse them in an act of "cheating". That does seem to be a healthy way to approach this important and for many, life-changing issue.

There is a clear differentiation in mine and medical specialists' minds between enhancing one's performance beyond their innate capabilities (ie. Benzedrene's *sp?* that speed one up and allow them to work seemingly endless hours), and a medication like Inderal that provide COMPENSATORY results to help one achieve their own individual normal - sort of like the natural phenomenon of water seeking it's own level.

As to "abuse", I'm not sure that in the traditional medical use of the term how the use of Inderal could possibly be compared to the use or misuse of controlled substances (substance abuse). Perhaps it is a referral once again to those that "abuse" taking Inderal but don't really need it. Those that don't need it won't derive any benefit from it.

In fact, as you stated before, many will find that the side effects hinder more than help. Or that they in some way they don't like the feeling of taking them in one way or another due to side effects or they simply don't like the idea that FOR THEMSELVES, they don't want to be dependent on them. They are making legitimate decisions for themselves based on their own experience in exactly the same way that those who DO choose to take BBlockers.

To judge what's best for others based soley on one's own experience, (universalising for everyone else), is simply not giving an individual credit to be able to make decisions for themselves.

Sorry to say I've exhausted myself insofar as what I have to contribute to this thread. There are reeds to find and music to practice (not to mention a nice springtime in Chicago in which to get out and enjoy!)

Gregory Smith



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