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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-09-24 18:03
Put it this way:
You can't play AT ALL without using your abdominal/back muscles (what I'll shorten from now on to 'a/bms') They're what pushes the air out.
(Well, I say that; but you may recall my horn playing friend who could 'suck' quite a good note on his horn:-)
So when you ask:
>> Can one play with lots of support without flexing the abdominals? >>
...then as you say, the answer must be no, because you can't PLAY without flexing the abdominals.
>> The next question would be how do we "blow" more? Do you tighten the abs?>>
The answer is yes, we use the a/bms more -- they 'squirt' the diaphragm up more.
By the way, it's only a matter of terminology exactly what you take the definition of 'support' to be. I use the term only when we are actually playing, but you could say that it's just defined by the strength of the downward diaphragm push WHATEVER THE a/bms ARE DOING.
But then, doing THAT would mean including both (1) and (2) below as cases of 'support':
(1) The first case is the possibility of the diaphragm push being stronger than the a/bms, but their still being flexed to some extent. As Mike said, then we'd be breathing IN, instead of playing. And in fact, we do sometimes breathe in in this funny way -- it's called YAWNING. When we yawn, we have our a/bms a bit flexed, and so we breathe in slower than normal. I suppose you could say that we're using support when we yawn.
(2) The second case is when our a/bms actually ARE relaxed, as they usually are when we breathe in, and the only force the diaphragm has to contend with is the elasticity of our guts, which resist being pushed around to a small extent. This case is nothing like how the word support is used in other contexts, so it seems silly to use it. (It's just the opposite of unsupported blowing, after all.)
It might be worth while pointing out that there is a further counterintuitive aspect of how we use the term support, even when we restrict it as I do to cases where we are actually playing the instrument. It is the following:
In other cases where we use the word 'support' -- say, in the 'painting with support' and 'painting without support' analogy -- the SUPPORT remains constant, and it's the OTHER action that varies. Whereas, in the case of clarinet playing, it's the BLOWING that stays constant and the SUPPORT that varies, outside consciousness.
My crazy horn-playing friend -- the one who can 'suck' the horn -- was wag enough to joke further that 'sUPport' was quite the wrong word to use anyway.
"Surely you should call it sDOWNport," he said:-)
Tony
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