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 Re: Copland Cadenza Interpretation?
Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date:   2008-10-04 11:36

As an afterthought: you mentioned that your post was similar to your previous post about the Messiaen.

But it seems to me that in that case you get a different answer to the question: "What do we LOSE if we do this?"

So, asking "What do we lose in playing the Copland cadenza very freely?" gives me a very definite answer, to do with the structure of the piece. But I find that asking "What do we lose by playing the terrifying crescendo longer than is written?" DOESN'T give me such an answer.

I think rather that the musical IDEA is: the crescendo needs to be 'very long'; and that most probably Messiaen wanted it very long too -- could we say, 'at least as long as he wrote'? -- so we're not damaging anything by playing it longer.

Obviously that's a judgement. But I have thought about it, and tried it both ways. (Of course, it depends on the acoustic, too.)

Another consideration of the same nature arises in the case of the long trill from G to A on the second page. It seems to me that the musical IDEA here is that the trill slows down, 'turning into' the asymmetric eighth plus sixteenth notated rhythm, and then finally comes to rest. So I don't play quite what is written here either; but rather ALLOW the A in the trill to dominate to begin with; and then as the trill slows, progressively let the G take over till the music becomes what is written.

One of our jobs as players is to understand and represent the musical ideas that are inherent in the written notes. In fact, to be living in the world of musical ideas is what it IS to be a good player.

It's a matter of judgement, but in these cases, I think the ideas are clear enough.

Tony
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