 The Ethnic Clarinet
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Author: Seamus Kirkpatrick
Date: 2002-08-14 22:44
Hello everyone,
I have a question that someone (maybe Katrina) may be able to help me with. It's a question about tongueing.
I've been listening to some recordings of Romanian wedding bands and the articulation is truly ferocious, and I'm wondering if it's with the tongue or if it's a glottal stop in the throat that's used...
Can anyone help me?
cheers
Seamus
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Author: Kat
Date: 2002-08-17 16:12
I'd need to know what specific recordings you mean. I suspect they might be those of Fanfare Ciocarlia? If so, I have NO IDEA how they do that!  It's just soooooo fast...
As far as glottal stop/throat tonguing in the Balkans, I do know that the Albanian folk musicians use that and not their tongue. I also know that Bulgarians and Macedonians DO use the tongue and not the throat.
I've never studied with any Romanian clarinetists, so I'm completely unable to answer this question with anything other than speculation.
I've heard a lot of Bulgarian and Macedonian players tongue really fast though, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Romanians tongue also. There may be some double tonguing going on. They could be "flapping" their tongue up and down across the reed to get this stuff so fast.
What amazes me, possibly even more than the speed of the tongue, is the COORDINATION between said tongue and the fingers. That's hard!
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Author: Seamus Kirkpatrick
Date: 2002-08-18 22:19
Yes, Fanfare Ciocarlia, good call...
It's just frightening isn't it.
And right again, the coordination is just terrifying. I'm kind of wondering if it is glottal mostly because it's a good kind of coughing speed. Friend of mine is convinced it's just excellent (and neat) finger articulation (which that sort of playing on small albert system instruments does sound a bit like)but now I know there's a precedent and I'm not trying something that noone does cause it's too hard I'll have to give it a go.
Thanks Katrina.
And Steve they're called Fanfare Ciocarlia and it's on tbe Piranha label (the Piranha has funny punctuation in it). I recommend their first album which is them just shredding through tunes, and will probably be some of the most hilariously virtuosic (you'll understand what I mean when you hear it) ensemble playing you will ever hear. The first album is called Radio Pascani and it's just full on.
cheers and thanks guys
Seamus
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Author: Kat
Date: 2002-08-19 00:30
BTW, I have never heard Albanians articulate in quite the same way as the clarinetists on the Fanfarc Ciocarlia recordings. Not to say that one COULDN'T use glottal/throat articulation, but I'm not familiar with anyone who does this stuff this fast in a tradition I KNOW doesn't use their tongues...
As far as "coughing speed," I don't think I could do anything that fast...coughing, tonguing, speaking, thinking...
;)
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Author: Simon
Date: 2002-09-25 00:22
It would be nice if some Bulgarian, Macedonian ore Romanian players that read this BB could shed some light as to how they do it. I am very interested to know. The articulation is definately amazing with some of these players.
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Author: Kat
Date: 2002-09-25 05:41
Are there any Bulgarian, Macedonian, or Romanian clarinetists reading this board??? I'd love to know too...
Katrina
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Author: Jess
Date: 2002-10-26 17:21
This sounds like a recording i would be interesting in... can you tell me title composer ect.. thanks
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Author: Kat
Date: 2002-10-26 20:53
Jess, the recording that prompted the original question is one called "Radio Pascani" by the group Fanfare Ciocarlia. It is Romanian folk/wedding music played by gypsies...there is no composer, and it is definitely NOT classical...lol...
Katrina
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