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 Turkish Clarinet
Author: gregsquared 
Date:   2008-03-12 14:57

I've been playing a lot of G clarinet lately. I have a Ripamonti albert system instrument. The sound of this instrument is sufficient, but not satisfying. I've played Souren Baronian's Orsi which both sounded and felt much better. I've been casually looking on the web for a better instrument. I know that Amati makes a G, but I've never had the opportunity to play one. Last year I took a lesson from Selim Sesler when he was in NYC. He had a Turkish-made instrument that played and felt as good as the Souren's Orsi. Unfortunately, I don't recall the brand. Anyone familiar with a Turkish clarinet manufacturer that makes high-quality, wood instruments, with a Turkish name? Thanks, G2.



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 Re: Turkish Clarinet
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2008-03-13 00:42

Try this shop - maybe you find it there? (my Turkish is a bit rusty...)

http://www.muziksel.com/ (maybe the Gırnata model there...?)

I got an acquaintance who bought a metal clarinet there.

--
Ben

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 Re: Turkish Clarinet
Author: Olcay 
Date:   2008-03-14 21:18

As Selim Sesler, most of the professionals in Turkey use Amati ACL 340S. Serkan Cagri also uses Amati but he plays on a model named "Modell Serkan Cagri", a modified ACL 340 by the Amati. I haven't heard anything bad about Amati. In contrary, when comparing Orsi and La Ripamonti, every master says Amati has better tone, bigger sound and correct intonation. I saw a lot of Amati, and I think it has the proven quality. The only thing that you must care is quality of wood. As every grenadilla-made clarinet, Amati also has the problem of cracking. But if you select a solid one(which has no visible crack) and if you care about cleaning, I don't think you'll have any problem.

If you want a G made in Turkey, there's a new brand named "Girnata" (www.girnata.com). I've heard good thing but Some masters are suspicious about it's intonation. And also price is very high. Only one or two professional clarinetist use it here, Turkey.

Amati is the best, For me...



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 Re: Turkish Clarinet
Author: peter.jaques 
Date:   2008-04-03 01:26

hey greg

Last time I saw Selim, in summer 2006, he did in fact have an Amati, but he wasn't happy with it. I know he's since bought something else, but don't know what. I'll ask my friend over there who's his student.

I had an Amati, and liked it much better than my crappy metal one I bought on my first trip to Istanbul, but it wasn't a fantastic instrument. It had some serious intonation issues, and a honky, raspy tone, no matter what mouthpiece & reed I used on it.

~peter

Director, clarinetist, trumpeter ~ Oakland, California
Brass Menazeri Balkan Brass Band ~ www.brassmenazeri.com

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 Re: Turkish Clarinet
Author: Seamus Kirkpatrick 
Date:   2008-07-07 14:01

I play with an Amati G and an Amati Bb albert system as my main clarinets, mostly because I could afford them.

They're mechanically sound and I substantially improved the tone and playability (particularly between registers) of the G by having my repair fellow sand the bore smooth (subtly) and then he coated it with some sort of epoxy and polished it.

I also have a clark w fobes mouthpiece which is very forgiving. The intonation on the Bb is a bit grim but the G is ok.

And I really think that the tone of the Amati is somehow hollow... I can't think of a better word to describe it, but certainly when you hear Selim Sesler's albums you can tell when he is on the Amati, and I don't like it as much.

But they are outstanding value for money and easy to obtain. You can hear me play my Bb here (you'll have to sit through a minute of me flogging my music school and please forgive me labelling what I play as gypsy... it's just easier that way)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayfqBksJec

http://www.independentmusic.com.au

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 Re: Turkish Clarinet
Author: newlife2001 
Date:   2010-02-04 00:58


Hello,

I'm new to this Board. Some folks here were discussing method books for learning the klarnet. I found one online:

Sol Klarnet Eğitimi - 1 (Kitap+DVD) by Serkan Cagri - Tumbala.com

Also, I just purchased a Sol clarinet. Professional model, ebony body, italy pads, usd265.20 from China Music Instruments

Website: www.xuqiumusic.com

With shipping I paid $343.40 (usd)

Now, in full disclosure, my background is as a trombonist, conductor and voice teacher. But I also have a music education degree and studied a year of B-flat clarinet and a year of alto saxophone. Recently, I became involved in this Persian drum circle and took lessons on the zarb (goblet drum). So I've been playing the zarb and the cello in the drum circle.

The alto didn't blend well with the Persian saz (long-necked lute). The B-flat clarinet fared much better but it blended best with the dafs, voices and other instruments when I was playing in the low register.

But I sure wasn't getting the sound I was hearing on the recording by Mustafa Kandirali. At the time I was studying the B-flat clarinet with a woodwind specialist who was getting his doctorate in education and I played him a bit of the Kandirali CD. As a Western musician, he had never heard heard anything like that. But his ideal model of great tone was closer to Richard Stolzman playing the second movement of the Mozart clarinet concerto than Mustafa Kandirali or Vassilis Saleas.

We had no idea how he was getting that sound and we didn't even know that he was using a G clarinet! So this is all very fascinating.

I think my Chinese instrument sounds fine. The Chinese used to produce junk violins, for example, but the quality has really improved overall. My B-flat is a French Martinaux model, also ebony body, and the sound is pretty similar.

I'm planning to study with a Turkish teacher in New York. That's probably the best way to learn how to produce that distinctive buzzing sound. The ideal sound concept for this Greek-Turkish music seems to be a cross between the raucus sound of zurna, which is used with a drum for outdoor festivals and a more refined sound like a Western clarinet playing in a Brahms symphony.

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