 The Ethnic Clarinet
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2007-03-19 19:41
Hi everybody!
I am playing an Amati G with 1,5 Rico Royal and 5JB mp... And intersted in Turkish music(classical, folk)...
My question is about my first register's tone. In chalemeau register, it sounds crispy and sensibly vibrating. But when I listen classical clarinetist and recordings, it sounds very straight and not vibrating!
I have been trying it for 1 year but my sound is still vibrating and has a crispy character.!
Can anyone say stg. about G clarinet's lower tones? which is normal? and desirable?
Somebody says the tone a player heard is not the actual tone that others hear. Is it true?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-03-20 11:21
> I have been trying it for 1 year but my sound is still vibrating and has a
> crispy character.!
You sure a 1.5 reed is good for that mouthpiece? (I know that there are styles asking for a soft reed, but just assume you were playing a classic piece) Would a harder (#2 or #2.5) reed make a difference?
> Can anyone say stg. about G clarinet's lower tones? which is normal?
It should be not fundamentally different from a Bb or A clarinet, except from the pitch and the "colour" of the tone, of course.
> and desirable?
That depends on the piece and style of music you are playing.
> Somebody says the tone a player heard is not the actual tone that others
> hear. Is it true?
In my experience it is. When playing, the sound not only travels through the air but also through instrument, mouthpice, teeth and skull to your ears. Not unlike speaking - your own voice sounds strange when recorded on a microphone. Besides, you're listening at a completely different angle than the audience does. So yes, I'd say it's true.
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Ben
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2007-03-20 16:13
You analyzed my questions very well. Thanks for reply.
In our musical systems we use 1/4 microtones. It's not suitable for clarinet if you do not use softest reed. So we must use 1 or 1,5... May be 2 but i've never heard.
I wonder if anyone use 1 o 1,5 no. reeds and can produce a staright-not vibrating/oscillating tone. When playing pianissimo, there's no problem but when closing the forte, this vibration is very sensible.
But you may be right about difference of angles - player and listener - matters.
thanks
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-03-20 23:14
Is Rico the only brand you've tested? (I'm not very fond of them, I should admit). How'bout a Vandoren 1 or 1.5, or Mitchell Lurie 1.5?
Will a harder reed get rid of the vibrations? (I know it might also get rid of the microtones, it's just for testing if it's the reed or something else)
I asked a similar question in the Clarinet BBoard, maybe this is helpful (or at least interesting).
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Ben
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2007-03-21 17:30
I've used Vandoren 1, Hot wings special-blue line 1 and 1,5 and Barre 1.
i think sensible vibrations in chalemeau register decreasing with harder reed. But this time, it looses its brightness and volume. And with a wide open mp and harder reed, it becomes too hard to blow; not comfortable.
i have started to think this vibrations could be normal and it's not a trouble that must be got rid of... May be only "I" hear this vibration, not listener?!
But i don't know what's the correct point in lower register? is it to make straight sound or vibrating!?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-03-21 18:17
> But i don't know what's the correct point in lower register? is it to make
> straight sound or vibrating!?
Beats me. From youtube etc I have a faint clue how it does sound (my ears aren't that trained to this kind of music), but is it how it should sound?
Ask the audience! (ask that aunt or grandfather of yours whether "it" sounds like it should). Or record something and ask the folks in here!
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Ben
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2007-03-21 20:48
i am trying to record nowadays... with a normal PC microphone and a videocamera... but it sounds very bad! Do you have any idea about healthy recording? mics, programmes or whatelse?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-03-21 21:10
> i am trying to record nowadays... with a normal PC microphone
> and a videocamera... but it sounds very bad! Do you have any
> idea about healthy recording? mics, programmes or whatelse?
I use Audacity and some 10$ dynamic microphone with rather good success in the past. Not exactly studio equipment, but for the sake of demonstrating the tone it works okay. And yes, listening to my own recording was...sobering. <shudder>
No video camera. That'd make it even worse... ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
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Ben
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Author: GypsyClarinet
Date: 2007-12-24 16:38
Hi. There is always a slight difference between the actual tone and the tone that the player hears but it shouldn't be as distinctive as you describe it.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "crispy character" but i think thats what people want to get when playing eastern tunes.
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Author: buedsma
Date: 2008-01-08 10:57
just play the g clarinet ( or Bb ) with number 3 reeds for classical music for a few months and you will sound fine .( also use another mouthpiece ) This should help you in building a more fixed embouchure ( no unwanted , very small adaptations that sometimes you won't even notice for yourself )
With soft reeds , open mouthpiece and a metal g clarinet , it's possible to control the tone so that it stays stable as long as you don(t need to play forte .
The sound will always be somewhat different from a classical setup.
And indeed , for quarter tones , only the softest of reeds and an open mouthpiece will get you there , with the sacrifice of certain aspects of the "classical" tone.
Best Regards
( my conclusions after 40 years of playing :-)
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2008-03-06 12:40
Thanks for replies
By the word crispy, I mean a ducky, thin like a mosquito's "zzzz" sound
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-03-06 22:18
Ah! That's what we call a "Buzzing" sound. I get that on certain notes where the air rushes past one pad, you can hear it hiss and buzz (but the audience doesn't). Unless, of course, a pad is torn or the glue has gone off a bit.
For other reasons - check the Clarinet BBoard Search Function against "buzz" and you'll find a lot of other reasons - most can be cured.
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Ben
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Author: Olcay
Date: 2008-03-08 21:53
I think my problem is not about pads. It's truly about reed. I use Rico or Hot And Swings Special 1,5 and especially in second E,F and A reeds starts to buzz thinly. I accept buzzing in lower register but, in high part of chalemeau, when passing from second A to second ,B the tone is getting exactly differ! buzzy in E, F, and A and it turns to be full and bright in B!!!
I want to use thicker reeds but it's quite difficult for Vandoren 5JB mp and for quarter tones.
Nowadays I have started to think about resurface my mpc. I'm make it more open.
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Author: Briv
Date: 2010-07-10 18:03
Hello, I recently found a way to reduce tendencies for crispy, buzzing, sharp sounding tones (for classical performances with strings around) without using a harder reed: Adding a piece of tape or two-three on the outer side (the lip side) of the reed.
The tone becomes less rich, more soft and dull (the harmonic content suffers).
Not a good idea for ethnic playing, that's true.
Briv
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