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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-06-28 02:23
I have a 2-20 that I love even though it is very flat. I'm using a M13 with regular #4's. I think this is the wrong set up and would contribute to the low intonation. I have heard that a big bore should be played with an open MP and the appropriate reed. I like the way this set up feels though. I should say that I play Jazz so intonation is less critical. Any thoughts on this.
The 2-20 is a great horn design, very unique key work that I just really like. I have read on the Boosey.com forum that there is a 4-20 pro model but I have never seen nor heard of it other then the BH site. I would be very gracious if anyone would spend some time and write about this line of Boosey Hawkes.
Things I like besides the Keywork which was R. Keel's influence, is the felexability of it. It can play very smooth and fluid yet honk like an old model T Ford if need be.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-06-28 03:20
Jack,
"...I play Jazz so intonation is less critical", you say.
Awww -- Really(???) well, okay... I guess : but, at the same time, I respectfully disagree with you :] That's me first thought.
Second thought -- I agree wholeheartedly with you that playing should be fun. Tootin' an' honkin' pleases me too 
Ennyway - enough of that; it looks like you have a good horn with a not so good mpc/reed setup - and probably barrel - for it. Is there a store/repair shop near you where you can try some different combinations? Big bore, matching barrel/mpc = easier playing.
I don't know about all those models and stuff but the few B&Hs I've seen and played have been pretty decent horns.
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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-06-28 03:45
Good point. Thinking about it, good intonation should always be strived for, so I would disagree with myself. Imagine that a contradicting homosapien. I should clarify though, I don't think I would take my set up down for a performance of either Brahms sonatas but feel it's passable for jazz. Thanks for the input.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2002-06-28 07:19
Who said intonation is of less importance in Jazz! It is important all the time!
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2002-06-28 12:07
I wonder if you have a mismatch between your mouthpiece chamber and the bore of your B&H?
Peter Eaton (search the Sponsors section) makes a few modern mouthpieces that may approximate the curve of your M13 with a better
fit chamber for your 2-20.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-06-28 13:59
Jack -
I met Reginald Kell at a convention quite a few years ago. He said that the B&H instruments with his design modifications had two obvious differences in keywork: the left hand F/C lever had cross-hatch engraving in it so your finger wouldn't slip, and the lowest (Eb/Bb) trill key for the right index finger went straight down rather than being bent across. If your 2-20 has these, then it's one of the Kell-designed models.
I'm not sure whether the 2-20 had the large "1010" bore. If it did, Synonymous is right about the need for an English style mouthpiece. Peter Eaton makes good ones, as does Brian Ackerman http://www.ackermanmusic.co.uk/resin_mouthpieces.htm. Luis Rossi makes English bore clarinets http://www.rossiclarinet.cl/largerbores.htm, so I assume he also makes mouthpieces for them.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: thomas piercy
Date: 2002-06-28 14:29
Luis Rossi does not make mouthpieces for his large bore instruments. In addition to Eaton and Ackerman, Edward Pillinger makes several different models of mouthpieces for large bore instruments.
http://www.pillingermouthpieces.co.uk/index.html
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Author: Keith Ferguson
Date: 2002-06-28 16:12
I play a Boosey & Hawkes 1010 and recently purchased a Pillinger mouthpiece designed for the 1010. It has made a big difference for me, and I found Ed Pillinger to be very informative and helpful. Contacting him would be a good idea - he's likely to know what works with the 2-20. (You will see an endorsement from Luis Rossi on the Pillinger website.)
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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-06-28 21:11
Thanks for the info. I have been in contact with Peter E. and all his large bore MP are open tip. Also they are designed for the 10-10 bore the 2-20 is a smaller bore that has a taper, though I believe it is larger then a standard french.
From what I know there a 3 models in this line. The student 1-10 plastic the middle 2-20 and the pro 4-20. All have the "Kell" keywork. I guess what I really would like to hear is about the 4-20 pro model. Again, Boosey makes a reference to it on thier forum page and thats the only time I have ever read mention to it. I would assume it has silver plated keys and a more refined bore, along with select wood, but I would still like to hear from owners of this instrument.
I am new to this site and have recently started to play the clarinet again, so I would like to ask another question. What would be the best way to aquire a 10-10. Are there any places that are known for carrying them regularly. This would be twofold as they would most likely have info on the 4-20 as well. Thanks again!!
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Author: michael
Date: 2002-07-02 17:30
Emily Jayne's new (not previously played) 1010 was flat, and was corrected just by changing the ligature to a 'BG Super revelation'. Strange but true. Is the reed 'shorter' if clamped further up??
(Peter Eaton didn't seem interested)
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Author: Keith Ferguson
Date: 2002-07-04 21:25
Jack: I too have started playing again and I'm using a 1010, which is the only professional quality clarinet I've owned.
With respect to the mouthpiece issue, I again suggest you contact Ed Pillinger - he makes a variety of mouthpieces and is certainly knowledgable about the 1010. He is likely to know something about the models you have mentioned.
I recently had to get my 1010 appraised for insurance purposes, and the only market for 1010s that I could find is, not surprisingly, in England. Howarth of London has a listing of second hand clarinets that includes 1010s [www.howarth.co.uk.com], and there is a site called Musical Instrument Sales that lists second hand instruments as well as dealers in the U.K. [www.musicalinstrumentsales.co.uk].
Good luck. KF
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Author: Alan Willburn
Date: 2002-07-29 20:58
Boosey did make a 4-20 intermediate clarinet, in both Bb and A. The top of the line "PRO" series was called the Series 2000. This line of clarinet from Boosey & Hawkes started eith the composite beginning series 1-10. The beginning wood was series 2-20. The intermediate wood was the 4-20, and the top line was the series 2000. Reginald Kell was associated with the company an participated in the design of these clarinets.
Hope this helps,
Alan
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