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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2001-11-02 20:59
How often have you run into double sharps and double flats? I have never seen them in the music that i pay.
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Author: William
Date: 2001-11-02 21:06
Got to deal with some tonight in Reed 3 for Hello Dolly, the musical. Luckly, they are not used too often, but occassionally, they sneek up on ya--especially in keys with six or seven sharps. Double flats are less common, but they do occur. Good Luck!!
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Author: Francesca
Date: 2001-11-02 21:24
The rose etudes use double sharps in about every 10th one or so. They're really easy to miss if you're not careful.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-11-02 22:35
Bob...Some good double sharp exercises to get started might be:
Kroepsch - 416 Progressive Daily Studies - no. 151 (Book 1), nos. 195, 312 (Book 2) or,
even better : read the 3rd Schumann Fantasy Piece in the Bb version (5 sharps)
When you can do that - you will have a fairly good handle on playing in double sharps...
As for double flats - they are scattered everywhere (ex: 2nd mvt of Brahms Sonata No 2) ...Good Luck ...It's just a matter of seeing a lot of them, and having the brain recognize the "mental transposition"...GBK
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Author: Corey
Date: 2001-11-03 16:23
I didn't know the "X" next to a note meant double shrp i have seen those before
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-11-03 17:48
We have a composer that writes a lot of swing, jazz and big band stuff for our community band. He delights in giving those to us--as well as a lot of other stuff that make me wonder if his first wife (the one who got all the stuff) was a clarinetist.
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2001-11-03 18:00
Corey an X before a note means the note is a double sharpe and a bb before the note is a double flat.
Before I went to school confused but happy. Now I'm more confused and unhappy.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2001-11-03 19:41
No biggie, just play notation up or down a whole step.
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Author: jenna
Date: 2001-11-03 21:20
Just had a double sharp last monday in a piece my military band sightread.. also had a large zero in one piece (may or may not have been the same one) Anyone know what that is? It baffled everyone at rehersal.
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Author: jenna
Date: 2001-11-03 23:10
It was the beginning of a measure in the middle of the song. It was between like.. the lines of the staff, right about from the G up to the D line. I think we played it as everyone plays nothing and a french horn had a hold. Don't quote me on that, though. I was having troubles with the alto was trying to find a happy medium for a troublesome screw.
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Author: joevacc
Date: 2001-11-04 04:57
jenna,
"The Concise Oxford Dictionary Of Music" States:
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Best,
-=[Joe Vacc]=-
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Author: allencole
Date: 2001-11-04 18:11
You're mostly going to find double sharps in keys with four or more sharps in the key signature, and double flats in keys with four or more flats in the key signature. They help to make a clearer melodic picture in passages with chromatic neighboring tones and a clearer chordal picture in passages with altered chords or arpeggios.
Specifically:
Double sharps are often used for chromatic lower neighbors in very sharp keys. Double flats are often used for chromatic upper neighbors in very flat keys. Because chromatic upper neighbors are rarer than chromatic lower neighbors, you far more double sharps than double flats.
Double flats will be more common in block chords and arpeggio-laced passages in flat keys because they help to preserve the spelling (and thus the legibility) of dominant, minor and altered chords.
More than you probably wanted to know, but I hope it helps...
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-11-04 21:12
I have seen the circle in modern band music. My conductor said that it was a way to tell the players to pick one of the notes that was in the circle.
sarah
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Author: Katfish
Date: 2001-11-05 00:35
Allen, Why are there so many double flats in the Nielsen Clarinet Concerto?
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Author: allencole
Date: 2001-11-05 04:07
I have never played or looked over the Nielsen, but in hearing it I seem to recall a lot of minor sounding things imposed on major tonalities. Is it in a flat key?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-11-05 05:01
Allen...The Nielsen Concerto (1928) is written without key signature. He adds accidentals as needed, and modulations happen strictly by use of altered notes only, no change of key signature.
Katfish...The reason for the number of double flats in this work is strictly for notational ease. It is used to prevent him from writing an excess of natural signs, or, to permit a previously flatted note to carry through the bar. It really is clearer to do it this way, although it sometimes looks a bit daunting...GBK
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