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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-12-25 19:56
I just purchased a Bb that is in very good condition and has no markings other than the Leblanc symbol.
The seller called it a Paris III from the 40's but I believe the III is part of the lyre in the leblanc symbol.
The case is a low profile and looks like the Selmer BT case. There are metal tenon caps on 3 tenons.
thanks for any info
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-12-25 20:51
Clarence,
Check pics on the *LeBlanc 176* thread. Pics show an old Leblanc logo, which according to Douglas appeared before 1955 (the G. on the same line as Leblanc.)
The 40's? I doubt it.
Usually older Leblancs have one metal cap on the top of UJ (I've seen with no caps at all)
How many digits are in the serial number?
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-12-25 21:09
The clarinet looks like the one in your pictures except the '176' is not there and the one that I have has a metal cap on all 3 tenons.
The serial is 38XX
Post Edited (2003-12-25 21:14)
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-12-25 23:46
The original "Symphonie Model" (1950?) had three-digit serial number plus an "A". I believe later on (1951?) Leblanc dropped the letters from their s/n and started from '1'. (similar thing happen with Buffet serial numbers)
Some (1950–1955) models had the old type logo and a gold medallion above it (on the UJ), also US Patent info appeared above the register key.
I believe that Leblanc made about 2000-2500 clarinets a year at that time.
IMO your clarinet was made around 1952.
The medallion might be missing. Can you find any marks?
Extra metal caps might be a tenon repair.
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-12-26 18:21
Here is a picture of the clarinet in its case. Notice the 3 metal tenon caps.
I have inspected the caps and they look like a factory install.
I don't find any buttons, or cracks in the tenons
Several other things may be of interest:
The bell, low joint and barrel have 'G Leblanc' in the emblem. The upper joint has 'Leblanc' with the G in the top of the emblem.
The serial number on the top joint is at the top of the joint on the back and matches the bottom joint. The serial number on the bottom joint is on the bottom of the joint.
The octive valve height on the inside is approximately 3/16" and it sticks out on the outside approximately 1/4".
I had mentioned earlier that I found a 'symphonie model' in the completed area of ebay that had a picture of my case. If nothing else comes up, I'll call it an early Symphony.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2003-12-26 23:59
>>>>>If nothing else comes up, I'll call it an early Symphony.<<<<<
With respect to Leblanc I wouldn't do that. All "Symphonie" models were marked as such. ("Symphonie Model", "Symphonie II", "Symphonie 3" and so on. Leblanc without a model/marketing name was a model on its own. I'm sure Leblanc had a name or a number for it, but just because we're not aware of it to call it a Symphonie would be wrong, IMO.
Have you measured the bore? It might be a big bore instrument.
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-12-27 00:15
I havn't measured the bore. Works well with a Lomax mouthpiece and has a big sound. I'll call Leblanc after the holidays and see what they have to say.
What was the pro model before the Symphonie ?
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Author: JimV
Date: 2003-12-29 03:11
Look closely for the word 'Dynamic H'. I looked at the picture but could not see a good view of the lettering on the top joint. If it is a 'Dynamic H' the bore will be .59 thousands. (edit) I meant 15mm big bore.
Tried out several of these when Charlie Ford was Sales Manager at LeBlanc (40 years ago). Hope this may help.
Sorry was no help.
Still keeping an eye on the Mississippi
Jim Valentine
Post Edited (2003-12-29 04:05)
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2003-12-29 03:21
Jim,
There is absolutely no writing on the clarinet other then the Leblanc emblems and the serial number.
I did try to measure the bore. My calipers aren't calibrated in hundreds, but looks closer to 14.62 than 14.80.
Thanks
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-12-29 16:13
I found and gave to my son, an early model LeBlanc Bb, will look for ser no, much like that shown in Leon LeBlanc's early patent 1920-30's, with jump keys, separate C#/G# "hingeing", and raised register vent "boss", will look for pat # also, I gave my grandson a Classic model, which I believe was followed by the big-bore Dynamics, 2, H and the Pete F's, quite a series of fine horns, 40's to present times. Congrats, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Craig
Date: 2013-09-01 16:43
I am trying to find the date of manufacture on my Leblanc Symphonie clarinet
the same number is on two places 8508
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2013-09-01 18:35
I would think that 8508 would date around the mid 50s.
My pair with ser 14xxx were made in 1960 and have owned since new.
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Author: Geten
Date: 2024-05-17 04:55
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Hello
I recently bought a Leblanc pair. The B is LL. But the A has no logo- it says only Leblanc and nothing more. Does anyone have an Idea what modell it can be?
Joachim in Sweden
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2024-05-17 15:14
Hang on a minute, I'll just go and fetch my electron microscope to view those images.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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