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 Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 01:03

Hi there fellow clarinetists :D

Would anybody be able to tell me how I am supposed to count the rests and notes in Donatoni Clair? And also, on the Denisov Sonata score, there are pairs of numbers (e.g. '5:4' or '9:8) marked above a series of notes throughout the 1st movement. What do these mean? Are these numbers suppose to represent the value of these notes? How do I count the rests in this piece?

Any tips on how to count in either of these two pieces would be really appreciated!

Cheers,

Harim Oh

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2013-11-18 01:42

Harim -

If you can, please scan and post the measures in question, plus a measure on each side, so we can see what you see.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 02:35

Hey Ken,

Okay I'll do that, they'll be up in 5 minutes!


Harim.

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 02:43





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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 02:46





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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 02:56
Attachment:  Untitled1.jpg (218k)

Hi everyone,

Attatched to this post (hopefully) is the second page of the Donatoni Clair and the first page of the 1st movement of the Denisov Sonata will be in the next post!


Harim.



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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 03:00
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1st page of Denisov Sonata Mv.1

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: donald 
Date:   2013-11-18 03:23

re the Denisov
The first 5/4 means 5 quavers (8th notes) in the time of 4... the second means 5 semiquavers (16th notes) in the time of 4 etc etc you can work out the rest yourself with a rudimentary knowledge of music theory, which i assume you have. dn



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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2013-11-18 03:25

For the Denisov the numbers represent the amount of notes you play in the given passage compared to the meter. So the first has you playing 5 quavers in the time of four. The other is a simple triplet.

The markings in your other score, which I assume are not yours are what we would use to identify whether is duple or compound time. Conductors do this too. I call it the house and triangle. The house or box if you like is duple i.e. Two and the triangle is compound i.e. Three.

Hope that makes sense

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 05:32

Hey guys,


Thank you very much for your help! Almost all of it makes sense for me, except the bits where you guys talk about for example 'the first has you playing 5 quavers in the time of four'. So in this case you do mean 5 quavers in the time of four 'quavers'?

Thanks,

Harim.

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2013-11-18 06:02

Yes of course.

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Denisov Sonata and Donatoni Clair question!!
Author: harim0suprem0 
Date:   2013-11-18 06:48

Okay, everything makes sense now.
Thank you very much to everyone who contributed to answering my question!

Harim.

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