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Author: Kyle
Date: 2001-09-25 20:33
Do clarinets and saxs have the same fingering? This is what my violin teacher told me so I was just making sure.
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Author: MusicMedic.com
Date: 2001-09-25 21:19
The second register or the Clarinet is very similar to the Saxophone. however, because the Clarinet overblows a 12th the first register is a different set of fingerings.
For example on Clarinet T(not register key),1,2,and3 will make a low C speek.
On saxophone that same fingering will get you a low G
If you add the register key to this fingering on Clarinet you will get a top line G
If you add the octave key to the saxophone fingering, you will get a top line G also.
If that didn't confuse you nothing will!
Curt,
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Author: jmcaulay
Date: 2001-09-25 21:31
Well, they are not identical. However, they are close, within the limitations of the acoustics of the instruments and the key patterns. For what it's worth, given the same limitations, much of the fingering of each instrument is like that of a Tonette.
More specifically, saxophone fingering is similar to clarinet fingering in the clarinet's clarion (intermediate) register. It can't be the same in the chalumeau register, because the clarinet's registers are harmonically related in twelfths, not octaves. Furthermore, the key pattern of a saxophone is somewhat closer to that of a Mueller- or Albert- or Oehler-system clarinet than it is to the key pattern of a Boehm-system clarinet (the Boehm system is the most widely played in North America and many other areas).
If this is too confusing, checking out a couple of fingering charts will probably help.
Regards,
John
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Author: jmcaulay
Date: 2001-09-25 21:38
David Spiegelthal wrote:
"Ask your violin teacher if it's true that violin and harp have the same fingerings"
Not necessary, Dave. Having played both, I believe you may be thinking of the violin and the tenor banjo. At least, they're close.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
John
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-09-25 22:59
Julia... I hope you're not serious...Have you ever played the upper registers of the flute and saxophone...Where is the similarity????
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Author: Wayne
Date: 2001-09-25 23:01
Is that true-that flute and sax have the same fingerings? I am interested to know from the violin players how they rate the difficulty of playing with woodwinds. I have recently taken up the violin (as a 40 year old) having played the flute when I was younger. I am finding it so difficult that I am considering giving up and re learning the flute.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-09-26 00:02
Teachers often say sax fingerings resemble those of flute rather than of clarinet.
Exceptions are altissimo and side keys fingerings. But they are near, but not the same. You can look up a Sax fingering chart at Sneezy.
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Author: Josh
Date: 2001-09-26 03:34
the ONLY fingerings that are "the same" on any woodwind instrument (except the bassoon...we won't go there.) are the mainline fingerings (B, A, G, F, E, D, C), and this is in the UPPER register of the clarinet. The same fingering combinations (adding register key on clarinet) produce all these notes on the flute, clarinet, saxophone, and oboe (with one exception: the F fingering gives an F# on the oboe/EH). They all use a fingering system designed by or based on designs by Theobald Boehm. There are some similarities, yes, but in NO way are they identical.
Guess we know why yer violin teacher's a violin teacher and not a clarinet teacher :P
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Author: Josh
Date: 2001-09-26 03:34
the ONLY fingerings that are "the same" on any woodwind instrument (except the bassoon...we won't go there.) are the inline body notes(B, A, G, F, E, D, C), and this is in the UPPER register of the clarinet. The same fingering combinations (adding register key on clarinet) produce all these notes on the flute, clarinet, saxophone, and oboe (with one exception: the F fingering gives an F# on the oboe/EH). They all use a fingering system designed by or based on designs by Theobald Boehm. There are some similarities, yes, but in NO way are they identical.
Guess we know why yer violin teacher's a violin teacher and not a clarinet teacher :P
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Author: Josh
Date: 2001-09-26 03:35
ack, damn computer posted twice! *grrrrs and kicks stupid metal box*
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-09-26 15:12
Josh said it well. But C should be excluded from the list. G# could be added. E is actually different on flute & sax..........
The basic concepts are similar, i.e the more fingers you put down, starting from the top, the lower the pitch - in the first two registers only - with a variety of anomalies. And that is really the ONLY similarity. The differences are quite large really, especially in high notes, where flute/clarinet/sax have nothing in common, and it is here that the flute plays much of the time.
The guitar, violin, balalaika, sitar and banjo all have far more in common. (The higher up each string you put your finger, the higher the note - no exceptions to the rule.) Tell her that!
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Author: Josh
Date: 2001-09-26 17:38
You're right, the C isn't fingered using the same key on each horn, but the basic fingering is the same ( [T] 123 456 pinky), which is what I meant...I was just speaking in terms of the fingers that must be put down, but I see what you mean
Re: the E, what fingering do you use besides [T] 123 45 for all three?
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Author: jmcaulay
Date: 2001-09-26 17:58
Okay, Kyle, here's the *real* answer:
Not only do clarinets and saxophones not have the same fingering, not even all clarinets have the same fingering.
But all of these are sorta close.
Regards,
John
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-09-26 21:58
Correctly, the overwhelming answer is...
NO :]
- ron b -
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Author: Filipe T.
Date: 2001-09-26 22:31
Gordon said that the violin and the balalaika are similar. whats a balalaika????
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Author: Josh
Date: 2001-09-27 13:02
The balalaika is a beautiful Russian triangular plucked string instrument, usually having three strings. (Violins have four...hmm...losing similarity here :P) Balalaikas are also usually tuned either EEA or AAD (whereas the violin is EADG), but they come in several sizes, up to contrabass, and depending on where in Russia you are, what size you have, and what you're playing, the tuning may be completely different, the larger ones of which are sometimes tuned like the top three strings of the violin, but an octave or two lower. Hope this helps
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-09-27 13:06
A balalaika is a Russian triangular shaped 'violin' in a number of sizes, plucked. Traditional Russian 'orchestras' had entire string sections of them. My one has three pairs of strings, each pair having the same tuning.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-09-27 13:15
Josh:
Only the lowest C on flute has that fingering, likewise sax, unlike clarinet, which has that fingering configuration (for different notes) in both resgisters.
For a flute E needs the pinky down on the Eb key for correct intonation. That may may seem trivial to a flutist but ist is a hassle for a sax or clarinet player changing to flute.
I've just remembered that D is also different on flute (& oboe) for 2nd octave, needing left pinky removed.
RonB: I agree. The similarities are trivial compared with the differences, especially fo somebody changing from a familiar fingering.
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