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 Re: I don't understand "warm," "dark," "covered," et al
Author: kdk ★2017
Date:   2022-10-16 21:05

SebastianB wrote:

> Paul - that you can come up with an illustration of people not
> being competent at describing tone is not evidence that
> competence is not possible.
>
> I know a violin maker whose ability to
> identify components of tone was advanced considerably by his
> use of spectrogram software, to the point that after a time he
> no longer needed the software.

The problem isn't really lack of competence in recognizing categories of sound quality. It's one of choosing words to describe them that others will understand in the same way we do. And a good deal of that problem is that most players (and even non-players) tend to include a judgement in their use of the standard terms (which are meant, like it or not, to describe light, not sound). There is almost always a pejorative element in anyone's use of "bright" to describe a tone. "Brilliant" on the other hand is not so heavily negative, but how often do you hear a clarinet that you really want to call brilliant? Yet they mean almost the same thing. "Dark" is applied enthusiastically in my experience to so many tone qualities that it has lost any meaning it once may have had, but describing some of those "dark" sounds as "dull" includes a clear negative prejudice.

As a student of Gigliotti I had a great deal of trouble coming to understand what he meant by "focused" and "centered." I *think* I understood them by the time I finished my studies. Obviously, having a "spread" or "unfocused" tone was a clear negative to be corrected. But at the beginning, I had trouble understanding what it was I needed to correct. In my early days here on the BBoard and the Klarinet list I used those words a couple of times and found others misunderstanding my usage.

Karl
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