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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-29 23:26
People of this forum! I've tried time ago the Silverstein Omnipatch with the tooth groove because I thought with the tooth groove, I wouldn't need to bite at all and will have an absolute free, non-biting embouchure. Unfortunately, this didn't work out for me as the tooth groove was too thin, my teeth were sliding off the mouthpiece, the outcome was to bite even more to keep the mouthpiece and that's not ideal..
Recently I talked to Silverstein about making an upgrade to the Omnipatch, make It with at least twice deeper tooth groove.. Excuse me for the rude word, they didn't give a s***. So, I thought If many people ask this to Silverstein, maybe they change their mind cause of lots of requests...
PLEASE, PEOPLE! I NEED YOUR SUPPORT!!! ASK SILVERSTEIN TO MAKE OMNIPATCH WITH MUCH DEEPER TOOTH GROOVE!!! AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Post Edited (2021-07-29 23:43)
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2021-07-29 23:48
Looking around online these things have mostly positive reviews. I doubt they would want to change a well reviewed product just because one person is having problems. That’s a terrible business strategy.
Have you considered learning double lip? That may be exactly what you are looking for.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-29 23:55
I see positive and negative reviews though, I've seen many others like me complaining about the tooth groove that is thin.. and totally understand them as I get same problem.. So, take It as a some people's problem.. Please, will you help? Not to change the product, just make a new version of It..
Yes, I've tried double lip but I can't play properly, It gets too unstable!
Post Edited (2021-07-30 00:00)
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-07-30 00:01
I don't understand why you wouldn't just get a regular patch and make your own tooth groove using your teeth while playing?
Or take two clear thin patches and stick one on, then cut the groove out of the other and stick it on top?
Or just use a mouthpiece patch with a grippier surface?
Or just use more side pressure in your embouchure to stabilize the mouthpiece and rely less on biting?
Or get a neckstrap to stabilize the mouthpiece?
There seem like a lot of ways to do this that seem easier and more likely for you to make happen on your own than starting a letter-writing campaign to a small company for customizations to one of the niche-iest products I've ever seen in my life.
I am certainly no Silverstein defender, but I have worked in product development and customer service (non-clarinet related) and, as Jdbassplayer says, if there isn't a critical mass of customers asking for a feature or product change, it's not good business to just go changing products to accommodate every person who asks for something.
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-30 00:28
I don't bite that hard so I make tooth groove with my mouth on a mouthpiece patch.
I already tried to stick patches on each other to make one with deep tooth groove, bad outcome.. They were pilling off..
I currently use Yamaha 0.5mm, has good grip but in any case can match the grip would have with a patch with deep tooth groove..
Let me set It like this, why don't you just make a request to Silverstein? even if you personally don't need that patch.. Again, I didn't say to change the product, just make a new version, without discontinuing the current one.. I don't think is a big deal for them, they have all It takes to make It.. People online just didn't pass through their mind to ask It before..
Post Edited (2021-07-30 00:36)
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-07-30 01:26
Because I don't need the product and it wouldn't be a good-faith request.
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-30 01:32
Thanks for the help!!!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2021-07-30 01:35
Here's another idea: Have one full sized thin patch over the top of the beak, then use a third (or some such percentage) of a much thicker one OR a stacked group to prevent back sliding.
If you are pulling off the stacked group maybe you're expecting the mouthpiece to in some way carry some amount of the clarinet's weight which to my way of thinking would be unrealistic.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-30 02:01
I've already done something similar, patches pilled off..
Please! Can you send a message to Silverstein's customer service and tell you need an Omnipatch with at least twice deeper tooth groove? customerservice@silversteinworks.com
My god! Why you people don't just do that?? Is It that bad or difficult?? I don't get It..
Post Edited (2021-07-30 02:02)
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2021-07-30 02:21
Since you ask, I won't because I don't have your problem. It would be dishonest to request a product I would never be a customer for.
Then too, you're an unknown. Why should I help you? It's hard to imagine your problem applying to very many, or any, other people. I can't even really comprehend what you're talking about, so I wonder if you're just trolling.
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-07-30 02:41
>> My god! Why you people don't just do that?? Is It that bad or difficult?? I don't get It..
To be quite frank, I'm not doing it because you haven't demonstrated to me that it is a good idea. It seems like you are looking for a mouthpiece patch to solve a problem that isn't going to be solved by a mouthpiece patch, at least not entirely.
I'm confused about how this is the conclusion you came to for your embouchure. I understand playing with less pressure. I've gone through the process of "de-pressurizing" my embouchure quite intensively in the last decade and change. I went from a medium-open Borbeck with a Gonzalez FOF #4 (or V12 #4.5) to a closed-tip Behn with an Aria #3.5 (or V12 #3). I promise that I do understand that desire and you'll see no objections from me on that front.
But what specific problem are you looking for the tooth groove to solve here? You want a looser embouchure, sure. Is your mouthpiece now unstable in your embouchure? Is the instability lateral or vertical?
I know for me the key to reducing biting pressure was to use the "corners" of the embouchure (the sides of the mouth) to press in a lot more to form a seal, which also provides lateral stability.
It sounds like the issue might be vertical stability, though? Are you trying to hang the clarinet off of your teeth using the teeth groove? If so, you need to lift the instrument to your mouth more. If you have a physical limitation that precludes you from doing so with your right hand (as I do, on and off), then a neckstrap can help do some of the lifting.
A mouthpiece patch can certainly improve stability of the mouthpiece in the embouchure (I definitely never play without one), but I think you are hoping for too much from your mouthpiece patch.
In this case, I read the intended purpose of the tooth groove as a way to provide a tactile guide for where to place your teeth. Hence the fact that they named it "teeth guide" and not "teeth anchor."
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2021-07-30 02:42
For all we know OP could be a competitor trying to get Silverstein to waste money on R&D and tooling for a product that they know will be unsuccessful.
Silverstein is a well known company with lots of talented artists. I have no doubt that this patch went through lots of R&D with lots of top level players. What’s more likely, that a bunch of top artists don’t know what they’re doing or that OP is simply using the product wrong?
I think instead of trying to get a bunch of random people to email a company, your time would be better spent looking for a good instructor to help solve the root cause of the problem.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: johnwesley
Date: 2021-07-30 06:32
I suggest you take up trombone and stop whining to all the kind and overly tolerant people on this board.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2021-07-30 07:04
We may have about exhausted any meaningful content in this thread.
Karl
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-30 08:40
I really didn't expect this! I'm truly honest about my saying and you don't even watch the online reviews saying the same thing. I'm telling you no, there's not a better solution than patch with deep tooth groove, not strap, Ton Kooiman maestro I use is good for holding the instrument for a long time. I wouldn't use the patch as an anchor, just to not having to bite even that little I bite with regular patch.. would be such a difference!!!
Alright? It's a great idea in my opinion, so If you'd like to help, just mail customerservice. I'm not trying to waste Silverstein's money or time, I wish would be people here on forum who bought the Omnipatch and came to same conclusion as me, cause you don't seem you care to make some good, not for me.. actually lots would like that.. I kindly ask you to make a request, even if you don't have same need.
Post Edited (2021-07-30 08:51)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2021-07-30 14:38
And another example of the current poor understanding of:
DEMOCRACY
Look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2021-07-30 15:25
Jimis4klar, you are not accepting help, but like complaining about it. Some users have been blocked because they are just annoying us. I don't know your age, but you need to learn to find your own solutions to your problems. All successful people do that, especially the members here who have been trying to help you without success. Grow up!
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Author: tucker ★2017
Date: 2021-07-30 15:48
Ken hit the nail on the head!
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-07-30 17:35
Excuse me but there is nothing else remained to do.. If you don't want to support, fine! Don't! Excuse me also If I annoyed you!! Like It is THAT!!! difficult to send an email!! I'm very! very! sorry I opened this thread!! I have a need that no one seems to understand how awesome would be!! But even If you don't, an email costs nothing!!! Of course!!! Who cares?? Do as you want, I'm not trying to manipulate anyone. I just asked for a little support and that's what I got!! Very sad!!!
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2021-07-30 17:48
And here is proof...
>>I just asked for a little support and that's what I got!! Very sad!!!
You got what you asked for and?
See a counselor for the support you need.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2021-07-30 18:41
Enough. Asking is one thing, feeling hurt because you didn't get the response you want is another.
What you did first was commendable - you asked the manufacturer if they could modify their product. Many people don't go through that much effort, and manufacturers sometimes take the advice. In this case Silverstein didn't take your advice.
You then tried to use this BBoard for a false "wave" of complaints. That is not the right way to do it at all. I don't like it and won't allow this thread to go forward. You could have asked if anyone else had this problem and if so, if those people with the problem could write, but instead you asked for indiscriminate emails to be sent. We don't do that here.
I'm closing this thread. We don't need further comments.
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