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 Re: Converting to double lip embouchure
Author: MKilpatrick 
Date:   2020-02-02 03:47

It's interesting to read this thread and in particular see discussion of the double-lipped embouchure mostly in terms of the upper lip curling over the upper teeth as with an oboeist, as shown by Mr Morales. Artie Shaw wasn't doing that from what I can see in the video clip that was shown. He does, however, say in the text shown in one of the postings above that the upper teeth rest "lightly" on the mouthpiece, which suggests that the pressure is shared between the teeth and lip.

Benny Goodman's extract (see above also) clearly states that the lip is "pressed downwards to prevent contact between upper teeth and mouthpiece". This pressing down is completely different from curling over.

Saxophonists such as Johnny Hodges clearly don't put either upper or lower lips over the teeth - the entire embouchure is very forward and there is very little mouthpiece in the mouth. The upper lip certainly curls as he forms the embouchure but is still forward of the teeth. No flat chin either. And just look, particularly at the second clip "Passion Flower" at the extent of the musculature that move each time he relaxes and then re-forms the embouchure!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SloECAON99c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGZDRQUSMmE


I'm not clarinetist, I'm a baritone saxophonist who plays the clarinet for a couple of pieces in my band. I've tried double-lipped on the clarinet only briefly but it is too unstable and it's clear I would have to work on this considerably to make it vaguely workable. However, on the baritone saxophone it is extremely easy for me to vary the amount of work done by the teeth and upper to both extremes, dynamically whilst practising. I am considering practising more with double-lipped embouchure to see how it develops, and the idea of using it for a few minutes during a practice session as suggested above, seems an excellent one.

Perhaps eventually I might produce a half-decent sound on the clarinet too! One day...

Michael
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