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Re: Michael Lowenstern's bore oil experiment

Author: bbillings
Date: 2018-09-11 19:42

As a physician, and having read quite a bit of research, i found this a very fatiguing thread to read and the poster "Klose" argumentative by nature. I wonder what the purpose of being so argumentative was and why he is so avidly questioning Dr. Henderson who had clearly stated previously the lack of published and definative research regarding the benefits of oiling the bore with regard to prevention of cracks. If you are oiling your clarinet to prevent cracks it is therefore guesswork until some experiments are run and able to be reproduced. IMO, it would be near impossible as every wood blank is unique. I personally oil the bore of my clarinets to help prevent potential damage from saliva and promote dimensional stability with the belief that oiling does no harm when done as suggested. I'm personally a fan of Doctor's Products and use the wood cleaner, wood wax, bore oil, oiling rig etc.... The fact that Dr. Henderson had but no longer has access to the same equipment having retired is evident. His assertion that he previously experimented but didn't publish his results was clearly stated and therefore why would there be anything resembling a "methods section" to establish exactly which flourescent molecule he used or the chemistry involved in covalently bonding said chemical. It seems somewhat obvious that his experiments were done for his personal use and perhaps with an eye on the business he has created. Thank you Dr. Henderson for providing a link to "fret doctor" and the picture you lent them. Some of the most salient comments came from Johan H. Nilsson who suggested you don't need a published scientific study to prove the obvious. The simple experiment he proposed of placing a drop of oil on glass and another on wood is absolutely valid and would prove absorption or lack of absorption.

I enjoy Michael Lowenstern's YouTube channel and am primarily a bass clarinet player. He is a wonderful and entertaining presenter as well as a very accomplished performer. A couple of observations, however, are in order. He doesn't believe in oiling the bore. He does believe that a clarinet can be "blown out" which I find to be a very subjective topic. He has replaced his personal bass clarinet on several occasions over the years and now has a Selmer affiliation and likely doesn't pay for or gets a significant discount on newer models. Lastly, it makes me wonder about the relationship between a "blown out" clarinet and his lack of oiling. The late Larry Naylor certainly had something to say about the topic and made multiple presentations on the subject as an adherent of oiling the wood, clarinet restoration and respected member of NAPIRT. I believe he provided his research within those presentations though I never had the pleasure of attending his presentation. He provided a reference section on his website however.

It was sad to read the snark in this thread that was unnecessary.

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