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Author: lauren01040806
Date: 2007-08-10 04:29
I was wondering if anyone could tell me about clarinets that have the name Evette with Buffet Crampon stamped below. The particular instrument in question was Made in Germany. I was wondering if anyone knew the history of these instruments that were made in Germany. Thanks!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-10 06:05
The current Buffet student clarinets from the B10 to the E11 are still made by Schreiber in Germany, as was your Evette. If it's a plastic Evette the current equivalent is a B12. If it's wooden, it's current equivalent is an E11.
For a short time before the plastic Evette became known as the Buffet B12, it saw service under the name B&H Regent II replacing the UK built B&H Regent when B&H's UK clarinet production ceased in around 1984 when B&H acquired Buffet and Schreiber.
The Schreiber-built Evettes and later B10-E11 clarinets filled the gap in Buffet's lineup, then the French-built Buffets start with the E13 Bb and A, then the C12 in Bb only (which previously went under the name 'Evette&Schaeffer' and 'Evette&Schaeffer Master Model'). The pro line French Buffets begin with the R13 then the RC and onwards up to the Tosca.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
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The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2007-08-10 13:10
To add a little to Chris' comments, according to the information I have seen, wooden Evettes were made in France until around 1978, at which time their manufacture was transferred to Germany. They were manufactured in Germany until their designation was changed to E11 around 1981. I don't remember seeing anything about the transfer of plastic Evettes to Germany though it would make sense that it happened at the same time.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-10 13:39
In Europe the Buffet B12 and E11 model names came into force around 1985-86 as successors to their previous guise as Evettes (and the B&H Regent II).
Probably around the same time the Evette saxes were being made by Jupiter (which were previously being made in Italy) and the B&H Emperor flutes became the Buffet 'Cooper Scale' ones (and still made in the UK until the production moved to Schreiber in the late '90s). Student Buffet oboes are also made by Schreiber and have a plastic lined bore.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-08-10 21:38
As mentioned in the Hello.I'm new--- thread, my "sponsored" Evette is, to me, much like an R13 and a VG , easy/in-tune, player. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2007-08-10 23:13
DavidBlumberg wrote:
> Reason is that I was told that Germany has to silver plate as
> nickel plating was outlawed there.
Germany might put under law a lot of things, but I haven't heard of that one. (At least they're still selling nickel-plated flutes and clarinets there, and I doubt they make a difference between manufacturing and selling stuff). Asbestos is banned, but nickel...nah, can't believe that.
What might be or probably is true is that silver-plated things tend to sell better because of (lack of) allergic reactions compared to nickel.
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Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-10 23:51
I heard the same thing about ten years back about European manufacturers not using nickel plate for keywork due to the allergic reactions some players have with it.
Around the same time Yamaha supplied their YCL-26IIMSUK with silver plated keywork as standard and the E11 was also in silver plate.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: susieray
Date: 2007-08-11 00:12
I have two different plastic Evettes and they both say W. Germany. One also says B-12 next to the serial. Both have nickel plated keys.
Sue
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-08-11 00:23
I still think the keywork on the Evette and earlier B12s is much better than the current B12s.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2007-08-11 01:14
FWIW - My Evette, S N, F 18340 does not have a "Made in Germany" [or elsewhere] so I wonder if the F is for France. The logo also says Paris France. Still plays well ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2007-08-12 12:40
It is called out sourcing.. Buffet have been doing this for quite some time.
the E11 is a great example of this.
David Dow
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Author: Giulio
Date: 2008-04-20 12:44
Dear all,
I just bought a Buffet Crampon clarinet model Evette serial number A209758.
Is there anyone that can tell me about:
a) the material, since someone says "ebony" whereas others says "resin" !!!
b) the probable year of construction
or where to find these pieces of information ?
Thanks a lot
Giulio
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Author: beejay
Date: 2008-04-20 17:16
I think I am right in saying that Buffet Crampon makes and plates ALL the keys for all its clarinet models at its factory at Mantes in France.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-04-21 21:29
The French Buffets have their keywork castings made and plating done by a company in France called De Meyere (not sure of the spelling, though they make keywork castings and other singular cast pieces for several companies, as well as do plating for several companies) - not sure if Schreiber have their castings made by the same company, though it would make sense.
Schreiber clarinets have the keywork made in Germany.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: imibm
Date: 2008-06-03 16:11
Hi....I'm new to the forum and have a question in regards to a Buffet Crampon clarinet that I am considering buying.
My problem is that I can't find any information regarding the markings on it. Basically all I have is the following....."it appears to be all wood, the serial number is 277303 and it says made in w germany and a metal piece that says BD.CL france."
Like I said I don't know all that much about clarinets, since I'm normally a Sax player but would appreciate any infromation relative to what model this is and approximately what it might be worth.
Thanks for any help you might be able to provide
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Author: Swede
Date: 2008-06-03 17:21
Hi imibm, according to a serial search it says BC1134 (C12 from 1985). C12 is a rather good horn only one step below the famous R13 model. I own one
myself, made 1984 and it's a very good clarinet. But the Germany stamp
says it's not a C12 (C12 was made in france) also a C12 mark should be stamped on the upper joint under the logo. Maybe it's an old E11 or a
Evette modell ?
Thanks
Dan
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Author: sonia payne
Date: 2011-02-12 15:23
Hi there everyone.
I have read with interest all the messages on this thread about Evette Buffet Crampon clarinets.
I have recently been having a tidy out up in our loft and have found my old clarinet that I used at school. I was wondering if anyone could either give me some information about it or direct me to somewhere that could. It is in a brown plastic case with red velvet lining. The instrument itself is plastic. It has the word Evette in an oval with Buffet Crampon underneath. The mouth piece has N4 stamped on it. The instrument also has 'made in W Germany' stamped on it with 186632 underneath. Would anyone also know what the value of it might be?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-02-12 15:38
Insurance value will be that of a new Buffet B12 but the actual sale value will be between £50-150 depending on the condition.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Queenie
Date: 2012-09-12 07:52
Hello, I have a plastic Evette Buffet Crampon instrument. Stamped made in Germany, with serial #134459 stamped below it. The mouthpiece has Ebolin Brithart, 3 star, stamped in handwriting. Can you tell me if this is a clarinet, or an eboe ? And possibly the year and value ?
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Author: Sharpi
Date: 2018-05-14 21:11
Please Help! I’m so confused. I recently purchased an old Evette Buffet Crampon made in Germany at an Estate sale. Who ever owned it took very good care of it. The logo is a little worn. The serial number 123641 is stamped on the lower joint. The logo is only on the upper joint and the bell. It came in a hard shell case with Blue/purple velvet lining. It came with a Selmer Goldtone 2 mouth piece. The ligature and cap were missing. I believe it is wood, but I am no expert. My son just started playing a year ago.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2018-05-15 16:20
Sharpi — what do you want help with? You described many details, but didn’t ask any questions.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Sharpi
Date: 2018-05-15 17:32
Thanks for your response Tobin,
I’m trying to find out what model this clarinet is. I’m hoping it’s an intermediate level at the least. Is it an E11, an E13? I just want to know the quality of the horn, and possibly the approximate year.
Sharon
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2018-05-16 06:51
Hello sharpi,
I don’t have a definitive answer for you. Without seeing the logos and a couple other details, I can only speculate.
The mouthpiece/ligature/cap have nothing to do with the instrument.
It sounds like it is a Buffet outsourced Schreiber-manufactured E11 or pre-E11 (an Evette).
Is it made of wood? Does it have grain?
Are there cut-outs (recesses) under the right hand pinky keys?
Pics?
Jamss
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2018-05-16 10:29
The Schreiber-built Buffets won't have 'Made in France' stamped under the Buffet logo. You'll see that on the E13 and upwards (as they're made by Buffet), but not on the B10 to E11 which were made by Schreiber.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Sharpi
Date: 2019-03-22 22:56
Hello
It’s me again! It’s funny because I searched for an answer to another question and came upon this post, which I’ve interacted with last year. I have learned a great deal over the last year about this instrument as a whole since then and I thought I would close the loop with what’s happened since my original questions.
I have made mistakes. Being the mom of a young player, and knowing nothing about the instrument itself has been quite the learning curve. I’m closing the loop for other moms that come after, who are smart enough to do the research before trying to save money, when you don’t know if the kid’s interest will last.
The Evette I spoke of in my earlier posts has finally come full circle. It ended up being a Schreiber made horn in W Germany, plastic student model. I posted a new thread a few weeks back looking for answers about the barrel it came with. Last year when I found out it wasn’t worth repairing, the horn became a project. I am a metalsmith and like to tinker with things, so I took this Instrument apart, cleaned it and repadded it myself. In the mean time, I got what ended up being a 1930’s wooden Evette & Schaeffer.
I discovered older is not always better. Though a beautiful sounding horn, it shrunk over the winter. I took the E&S instrument to the shop and they put it in a humidifier for a week and gave it back. The bell ring was still loose so they told me to make my own hydration box. I found out later, this was not the best advice, luckily no damage was done. The bottom ring on the bell was shimmed.
While the E&S was in the shop, the kid had to play his cheap Medini, which then lost a pad. So I turned to the original Evette (tinker piece). I managed fairly in my project but the lower joint was giving me trouble and I needed answers about why this barrel didn’t fit right. Turns out, I didn’t do a bad job and the rest of the repair will be a minimal cost. As luck would have it, I contacted a guy on EBay selling upper joints in bulk and asked if he had a plastic Evette barrel, and he did.
In the long run, all is well that ends well, but my advice to any budding clarinet parents, is just buy an instrument from a reputable music shop. You will end up spending the same amount of money at the end of all things.
Thanks for all your posts, the journey has been an interesting one.
Post Edited (2019-03-23 05:07)
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2019-03-22 23:37
"The Evette I spoke of in my earlier posts has finally come full circle. It ended up being a Schieber made horn in W Germany"
Typo? Please do not call them Schieber (= pusher); Schreiber is a well renowned company in Markneukirchen, Germany, owned now by Buffet Crampon ( https://www.w-schreiber.com/de/geschichte/
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2019-03-23 00:14
When did Schreiber move production from Nauheim to Markneukirchen?
Former oboe finisher
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1998 - 2010
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2019-03-24 23:13
„Buffet group“, (2016 renamed in „Buffet Crampon“) took over B & S with, amongst others, Schreiber, in 2010 (2012?) and relocated the production from Nauheim to Markneukirchen
( http://www.showroom-geretsried.de/showroom-blechblasintrumente-newsmeldung/items/buffet-group-uebernimmt-bs.html ).
Recently (I'm not sure about the exact date) a new plant was built there. It is shown under https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqz92VlnnCE
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