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 Re: Saving DEAD sounds of Zinner's
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2018-02-26 08:35

No, this is a very bad idea to file from the inside, but a VERY Good Question!

If you file from the inside out you can screw up how the reed vibrates.

One of the keys and major factors why the old mouthpieces played so well such as the Kaspar's and Chedeville's were due to the inside rails not being too wide!

It's hard to believe that this is so dang important but it is. Pretty much all of the mouthpieces made and altered today are too wide from the left window distance to the right window distance.

As we all know the German mouthpieces are narrow and very warm sounding. Well this has so much to do with it.

So to get that warm sound of the past we surely don't want to make the window distances wider. I've actually used the same nail polish technique to fix mouthpieces that have been filed from inside out. What happens to the sound is too much of the rails, the sides of the reeds vibrate and not enough of the spine, the center, of the reed, the heart of the reed, whatever term you wish you use. So we lost a lot of the projection, simply because the reed no longer vibrates right or never did vibrate correctly.

This is another major reason why those new Chedeville's pretty much are horrible.

The Zinner blanks are actually pretty close to the old Kaspar and Chedeville mouthpieces as far as the distance between the rails so if people fix the baffle/chamber areas with polish they may have a very good mouthpiece and of course file the outside of the rails only.

The Vandoren M13's are too wide so the sound won't ever project as the old Kaspar's and Ched's did.

This brings up another subject. At the Clarient Fest 2107 I was pretty happy with the Selmer Concept. But several of past through my hands lately. They changed them. Same problem, the distance between the rails is too wide. This is a real shame. I think it may even be a whole new mold.

So for now let's just save the Zinner's, because anyone can do this. It's actually easier than adjusting reeds.

Later on I'll try to find ways of saving other expensive mouthpieces without spending any money.


Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces


Yamaha Artist 2015




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