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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-05-08 23:02
Hello folks, been wanting to repair a few old clarinets I've had stored away. In looking on the Internet for pads, I find a lot of made in China pads and was wondering how good they are.
Thanks!
~ Musical Progress: None ~
Post Edited (2015-05-08 23:04)
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-05-08 23:24
I would stay away from those.
Call up Ferree's Tools, they're the big-boys in the repair/replacement parts world.
800-253-2261 or www.ferreestoolsinc.com
Stick with the good stuff!
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2015-05-09 00:47
Ditto what Ken wrote. I've been using Ferree's Tools pads for many years, and they are always of high quality. Several times I've bought Chinese pads online and have always been disappointed with them.
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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-05-09 02:39
OK, got it. I'll stay with known quality pads. I've used pads from MusicMedic in the past will try Ferree too.
Thanks!
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2015-05-09 02:49
You might try Valentino Greenbacks or Masters from JL Smith.
I believe the Ferrees pads are made by Pisoni ( I forget their present name).
Steve Ocone
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2015-05-09 02:59
Pads made in China are usually single skin ( vs double skin ), thin wavy cardboard and poorly cemented. My observation is that they are hard to seat well and fail quickly. They are commonly used on these el-cheapo $100 clarinets that you see shown on the unmentionable website. I use pads from Ferree's or Music Medic which give good results. Doesn't cost much more to do a quality job.
Jerry
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2015-05-09 03:23
Pads made in China are usually single skin ( vs double skin ), thin wavy cardboard and poorly cemented. My observation is that they are hard to seat well and fail quickly. They are commonly used on these el-cheapo $100 clarinets that you see shown on the unmentionable website. I use pads from Ferree's or Music Medic which give good results. Doesn't cost much more to do a quality job.
Jerry
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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-05-09 03:24
Yes, it takes me a while to completely go over a clarinet taking off all the keys and polishing them, re-corking, etc. then to use a lesser pad after all that work makes no sense.
Thanks!
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2015-05-09 03:28
I have ordered cork pads from China and they look ok (haven't used them yet, but as long as the pad surface is flat, not very much can go wrong). Cork is cork whoever delivers it, right?
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Author: GLHopkins
Date: 2015-05-09 05:42
Cork is not cork. Be careful that what you're getting isn't "filled" cork. The filler will come out.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-05-09 07:54
Cork pads should be made from the finest quality cork, ideally without any pores or holes in or on the surface of them.
With smaller diameter cork pads from 6mm to 9.5mm it's easier to get pads cut from a sheet of cork without having any defects in them (although they may still have some) compared to larger diameter pads from 10mm upwards which may have some small to more serious defects in them.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2015-05-09 19:53
I ordered a small assortment of pads from China so that I could take a first hand look at them. So far, it has been two months and I have seen no trace of my order.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2015-05-09 21:51
...what company?
(I still have an open (test) order for some stuff and it's over a year now with no reply whatsoever. No, not via That Auction Site, sadly)
--
Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-05-10 00:14
Stick to buying your repair supplies from a reliable source.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Mirko996
Date: 2015-05-10 00:42
Watch on Aliexpress...
I Bought here 5 pads of clarinet (brand Lucien aka Luciano Pisoni) with 13€.
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2015-05-10 02:57
I don't have the Chinese cork pads available right now but I can upload a photo of them in a few days. They don't look different than the ones I order from an American supplier and have been using with good result. If there were pores they would be visible to the eye or be so small that they can only have little effect on the sealing. The Chinese seller (yes, on that auction site) offered cork pads up to 16 mm. I will experiment with them on an alto clarinet.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-05-10 03:23
There are fake Lucien Deluxe pads being made and sold online. They definitely have a cheap and nasty look about them compared to the genuine articles.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-05-10 14:15
Well I have an issue with the REAL Lucien Deluxe pads (found originally on the Yamaha CSG clarinets). They are great new, but within a year they begin to fail in an insidious way. The area AROUND the plastic button begins to separate, causing the pads to swell and leak. You literally have to take the keys off to see the issue.
Don't bother with them. Cork, Valentino Masters, Leather, and Kraus Omni's are all better.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-05-10 14:26
Pads actually made by Music Center and have Lucien Deluxe written on the back don't really suggest any specific model. They many models in many different levels.
Lucien Deluxe is sometimes confused with Premium deluxe, which is a specific model they make, though they can still print that on the back of different models. If you order enough they will print almost anything.
It sounds like you are talking about pads with resonators which fail where the resonator contacts the face? This could (and probably is) specific to pads with resonators. In years of using Music Center bladder pads I've seen them last as long as any bladder pad. FWIW I've used the other pads you mentioned too (and some types like leather vary a lot, as opposed to the others that are specific models.)
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2015-05-10 21:06
For the time being, I will refrain from naming the company responsible for my delayed shipment. I did not purchase through the auction site, but I did use PayPal to make my payment. For some reason, the charge shows up as PayPal on my credit card, but not on my PayPal account. When I threatened to file a complaint with PayPal, they finally responded to my e-mail with a tracking number. Somehow, they managed to send it to the wrong address and it was returned. I will give them a chance to correct the situation before I publish their name. I now know that I do not want to deal with them and, fortunately, my order was <$10.
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Author: Robert Warren
Date: 2015-12-11 04:20
All of the felt-and-bladder pads are made in China. Sorry, folks. I've been buying them from China for years with many different supposedly American brands stamped on the back.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2015-12-11 05:41
I buy 100 percent of my supplies from JJ Smith. Don't know if they come from China, hope not, but they work great!
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-12-11 09:31
>> All of the felt-and-bladder pads are made in China. <<
That's not true. There are pads made in Italy, France and the USA. Maybe other countries too, I'm not sure (Germany?).
>> Don't know if they come from China, hope not, but they work great! <<
J.L. Smith makes and stocks pads from several different places. I think their Valentino pads are made in the USA but I'm not sure. Their pads made by Music Center are made in Italy.
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