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 Re: Barrel Stuck to Top Joint
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2014-12-17 09:28

>> So perhaps "extreme effort" could possibly be defined as exertion far beyond what is normally experienced by a particular player. <<

I guess you can define it any way you want :)

>> One obvious risk of 'extreme effort' is breaking something, which I assume is most likely to be the tenon of the upper joint. Is that a likely occurrence if a person with strong arms twists a stuck barrel while holding the lower joint? <<

Consider what needs to happen for part of the clarinet - either the tenon or the barrel - to break, instead of the barrel coming out.

First, the barrel has to be stuck so hard that it's actually stronger than the tenon and/or barrel themselves when using twisting force. This is extremely unlikely. I am not sure this can happen if the barrel could fit over the tenon in the first place i.e. if it fit and can obviously only swell a certain amount, it's a question whether this amount is so much that it could be stuck harder. My guess and experience say no.

Second, if there is a stronger force holding the barrel to the tenon, you need the person to apply enough twisting force to break the barrel or tenon. I guess this is theoretically possible, but it's hard to say for sure. Maybe a pro armwrestler, weight lifter, etc. can do it, I don't know.

Statistically, I can say I've never seen a tenon or barrel break or crack no matter how much twisting force was used to remove it.

As far as rocking, that's different. I've never applied all my force to rock a barrel. It feels like I could break something applying more rocking force, but I'm not sure. Obviously someone should have a feel for how much rocking force they can apply to not break anything.

Anyway, statistically, I've never seen any barrel or tenon break as a result of removing a stuck barrel, no matter how much force was used.
In Leila's case, it sounds like barrels or tenons were already broken when she bought those old clarinets, not breaking while removing a stuck barrel.

By coincidence, yesterday I saw one the barrels that was most difficult to remove. It was stuck for almost a week which didn't help for the owner to remove it at all, no where close...
The force wasn't instead of time, when that was possible.



Post Edited (2014-12-17 09:47)

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