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 Re: Mouthpiece tone production percentage
Author: Tony Pay 2017
Date:   2014-08-22 03:08

Johan wrote:

>> Tony Pay wrote:
Quote:

Success in an air battle for a fighter plane depends on the pilot, the engine, the wings and the guns.

What percentage importance does each have?
>> Given a simulation environment, start replacing the different components, measure the result and you will find out if some components are more important than others. In fact, numerical methods like regression analysis or genetic algorithms will give you a percentage answer.>>

Yes, you are right; and I was wrong to choose this example.

The point being that here the components are (relatively) independent.

I should have remembered what Ken Bowen said:
Quote:

...technically, the clarinet is not a "lumped system" in control engineering terms. Regression analysis is of the most use when variables, though they may be many, each have a distinct influence and the cross-coupling terms are weak. [The] cholesterol example is a good one.

The analysis may, of course, show up cross-couplings, eg "high cholesterol is not so harmful if your diet is rich in Armenian blue parsnips", but if these exist, then one absolutely cannot have a description that is appropriate to a lumped system (decreasing in importance as you go down etc).

[In the clarinet,] the cross couplings are huge, as simple experiments show: leaks, cracks, resonance fingerings, fork fingerings, sloppy fingerings, bits of lead stuck on the outside(see Benade) etc etc. Thus the sound column does not already exist at the top of the instrument, but is the product of everything. The whole vibrating air column depends on a lot of things and they are closely coupled. I think this is good science, not sophistry. And this is not to deny that _sometimes_ the assertion works, for example a leak on the bottom pad will only affect the lowest notes in each register.
What I should have done was to have switched arguments when Dan reduced the question to the playing of JUST ONE NOTE.

I should have pointed out that then, of course, much of what makes a clarinet 'good' or 'bad' recedes into the background.

See, the quality – even the 'tone' – of an instrument isn't derived just from how it plays one note; it's to do with how even the scale is, how fluently you can go from 'good' notes to 'bad' notes, how well in tune it is....and so on.

I've written that I was wrong to choose the 'aircraft' example as an addendum to the previous post.

Tony



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