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Author: Vubble3
Date: 2013-02-15 08:12
Sounds too artificial. It doesnt have the suave traditional sound of r13's and the focus. It sounds too harsh and too light of a response. Yet, some people are sucked into buying the "best" equipment
Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-02-15 08:21
Interesting, I haven't tried them so have no opinion yet, but a friend in Europe played a pair hand picked by one of their big name players and had the same reaction as you....
dn
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Author: Vubble3
Date: 2013-02-15 09:50
I actually never tried one, but i heard Sharon Kam and Martin Frost play om youtube, sounds terrible! It sounds like a more refined version of the plastic Leblanc bliss, played by an exceptional player, that i also heard on youtube.
Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre
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Author: JackHorrocks
Date: 2013-02-15 13:10
Obviously everyone is entitled to their personal opinions, and I respect that, but you are clearly being contrary. This is an instrument that has been used by orchestral players worldwide and professional clarinettists are selling instruments to get their hands on it. Like I said, I obviously respect your opinion, I am just pointing out that it can't be as bad as you are making it out to be. It must have some very good qualities, otherwise Martin Frost himself wouldn't have started using it.
Thanks
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Author: Vubble3
Date: 2013-02-15 14:15
It's contemporary for my taste then
Buffet Bb R13 A RC Prestige
buffet chadash and moennig barrels
Lomax classic lig
b40 lyre
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-02-16 18:38
I sort of agree with William and Jack, but it did strike me as interesting to encounter these strong opinions- especially when my friend was (before trying it) inclined toward liking it... I'll be very interested to play one myself in June but i'll probably resist posting about it.
Post Edited (2013-02-16 22:53)
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2013-02-16 19:33
You have to remember that the bore design/family of the Divine actually belongs to the RC line, so that may be why you don't like it compared to the R13. What I've heard is that the Divine is to the RC as the Tosca is to the R13, and so on and so forth. I've never tried playing one, so I couldn't comment any further, just clearing up the specs a little bit.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2013-02-17 06:09
I had the chance to play both a Bb and an A divine about a week ago and loved them. Granted they did sound very different to my R13, but that's because they're not supposed to sound like an R13. I was told by the Buffet Australia rep that the R13 is huge in the states, where as the RC was huge in Europe. Professional players in Europe loved the Tosca but wanted something that sounded like the RC, so they developed the Divine which essentially uses the tone hole position (including low F vent) of the Tosca but with an RC bore shape.
If you don't like it, that's fine, it's not for everybody which is why EVERY manufacturer makes a variety of models to suit (hopefully) everyone.
I love my R13 and I liked the Divine even though it was different. Doesn't mean it's bad even if I won't switch to it just because some people consider it 'the best'
Be open minded, you don't have to like everything, doesn't make it bad though.
2E
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2013-02-17 06:30
It's not really possible to judge a clarinet based on a YouTube video where it seems they just used the camera built-in microphone. Even much better methods are not good enough to judge an instrument.
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-02-17 18:47
Some super-rich guy in Australia (not a pro musician, son of some famous person) bought one of these from a shop in sydney, then accidentally drove over it in his car- not just damaging keys but crushing the bell and cracking the bore of the lower joint and putting it out of "round". Maybe he didn't like the sound?
dn
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-02-17 19:25
Accidentally?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-02-18 04:17
I heard (via the repair crew) that it was being replaced by insurance, so I imagine that it WAS an accident.... it might also mean that a reconstructed Divine will come on the market sometime soon if any sydneysiders are on the lookout....
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Author: grenadilla428
Date: 2013-10-09 16:03
I just got the opportunity to try the Divine last week... here's what I noticed:
> Wow, it was SO light!! The feel of the weight of the instrument in my hands was light, and the action of the keys under my fingers was light. The travel distance of the rings was shorter than the R13, Festival, or Tosca, and I loved the way the side and pinky keys felt (with the exception of the LH C# key on this particular instrument... was a little loose for me). The spacing of keys was ever so slightly different - enough that it would take a little bit of acclimating, but you'd expect that.
> The response was quick and very easy. The instrument spoke very readily, and I and the colleague who was also trying it noticed how easy articulation was. The first few notes made me stop and say, "whoa!" to which she said, "uh-huh." She'd had the instrument for a couple of days, and when we were packing up, I said, "I bet you've noticed that you feel less fatigue after a normal practice session with this instrument." She nodded emphatically.
The feel of the instrument was terrific, just terrific.
> The sound was lighter close-up. We swapped back and forth through a rehearsal, and stopped to listen to each other play. The quality was fine, but I could see some people being concerned about it, because it was a bit different. She had recorded herself from across a large room, and had other people listen to her from across a room, and she noticed that it sounded a bit different at a distance than it did close up. The sound carries just fine, and you'd definitely have to play with mouthpieces and reeds to dial in the sound you want.
If I had the money, I'd probably buy one. :-)
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Author: ruben
Date: 2013-10-09 20:05
Dear Donald,
A clarinet of this price should have been able to resist this kind of treatment!
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-10-11 17:28
Well, everyone has their opinions, my teacher, who is the former bass clarinettist of HK Phil, hates the Tosca.
If you want something focussed, why not the Dietz Reform Boehm?
Josh
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-10-24 20:05
You also have to know that not every hardware is right for everyone. It's alright to say what you dislike, but never label it as bad unless you have the right evidence. I dislike the entire Prestige line because they are too stuffy to me, but someone else hails them as the best.
P.S. I'm testing a Divine in a few days, I'll share my thoughts of it to everyone soon.
Josh
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Author: TAS
Date: 2013-10-24 21:06
Whatever pro line Buffet you want to acquire, you had better try out a number of different Buffet clarinets at a large dealer or go to Jacksonville, FL and try clarinets out yourself. at the point of distribution.
TAS
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