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 Re: The Cleveland Orchestra musicians speak out!
Author: mrn 
Date:   2010-01-24 18:30

DougR wrote:

<<Further to a point made upthread, musicians can take care of their own wages and working conditions via negotiation, but they can't manage and/or market their orchestras, and I'd suggest orchestra management really needs to clean their own house before scapegoating musicians' salaries and benefits.>>

I think in this case (Cleveland), they did. According to what I read, the management cut their own salaries first, and they have been seeking out creative ways of increasing revenue (like establishing residencies out of state). Perhaps they could have done more before cutting musician pay, but considering how high the musician salaries were in the Cleveland Orchestra, how small of a cut management was proposing, and the much larger sorts of cuts musicians in other high quality, but lower-paying orchestras have had to endure (like Ed's orchestra), I don't think what the Cleveland management was asking for was unreasonable.

If the economy (especially in Cleveland) were in better shape or the orchestra mismanaged, things would be different.
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