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 Re: The Cleveland Orchestra musicians speak out!
Author: Ed Palanker 
Date:   2010-01-19 04:07

According to my ISCOM chart, last year, 08-09, the starting salary in Cleveland was $115.500. The salary chart from 2007 is no longer realistic. Several orchestra have taken pay cuts since than, including us in Baltimore. The great thing about the musicians union is that without it we would be back in the 40s and 50s when a conductor could fire a player on the spot. There was no job security before union contracts. Because of the musicians unions in the USA a player can no longer be fired because the conductor doesn't like the way they dress, or because of their sex or color or if they missed one note at a rehearsal. I think you get the idea. The unions may not be perfect but without them our lives would be hell. At least now we have some recourse if a new conductor comes in to an orchestra and wants to clean house and bring in players from elsewhere. The unions have also given orchestra the right to have fair, behind the screen, auditions so at least in most cases, the best players, regardless of what they look like, have the best chance of winning the auditions unlike years past. The orchestra players now have the right to negotiate the hiring, tenure and firing requirements in their contract.
Several years ago when we got a new conductor he tried to fire six players without saying a single word to them about what he disliked about their playing, not a word (no, I wasn't one of them). Because of our union contract he was told he would have to meet with the players at least three times in the season to discuss what he disliked and give the players a chance to correct what he didn't like. Those players therefore could not be fired then. That never would have happened without a union contract. That doesn't mean no one can be fired, it just means that it has to be fair and unbiased based on performance. It's a difficult enough profession without having to worry about being fired for any reason at any time any where. Think Szell and Reiner to mention just a few for those that remember the "good old days". ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com

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