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 That old bugaboo
Author: Rick2 
Date:   1999-03-13 16:38

Well, here we go again. I see these stacatto marks under a slur or, in my current situation, I have a dotted eighth/sixteenth sitting under a tie, both stacatto. I still am not comfortable with this. Do I play them legato, or do I make them one note but use a momentary reduction in breath support to separate the notes? I doubt it should be legato because there is already more straight-forward notation for legato playing, so this must be subtly different from legato. (Dee: this is a classical piece, actually one of the operetic arias from Lazarus bk 1.)

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 RE: That old bugaboo
Author: Dee 
Date:   1999-03-13 17:05

Here is my opinion (and let me emphasize that it is just an opinion).

Standard: Duration = 80% to 90% of the beat and tongued
Legato: Duration = 100% of the beat and tongued
Staccato: Duration = 50% of the beat and tongued
Staccato mark + legato mark = between standard and legato and is tongued
Staccato mark + slur = same as staccato + legato (tongued)

Unfortunately, I do not have the Lazarus books so cannot go try this piece out.

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 RE: That old bugaboo
Author: Rick2 
Date:   1999-03-13 21:31

Dee, I talked to my instructor today and apparently the notation is for violin, telling you to move the bow in the same direction.

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 RE: That old bugaboo
Author: Fred McKenzie 
Date:   1999-03-14 03:29


Rick2 wrote:
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Well, here we go again. I see these stacatto marks under a slur or, in my current situation, I have a dotted eighth/sixteenth sitting under a tie, both stacatto. I still am not comfortable with this. Do I play them legato, or do I make them one note but use a momentary reduction in breath support to separate the notes?

Rick2-

My Band Director explained that this is not a slur, but a phrasing mark for string instruements. A clarinet should just lightly tongue the notes with no separation. I suppose Legato is the same thing.

I've noticed other times when a slur didn't make sense, and other instruments were tongueing. An example of not making sense, is when two or more of the same notes are slurred. Suppose three quarter notes are tied as if they were to be slurred. Why would they be written that way, instead of as a dotted half, unless they were ment to be tongued?

Fred
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 RE: That old bugaboo
Author: Dee 
Date:   1999-03-14 13:44



Fred McKenzie wrote:
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... An example of not making sense, is when two or more of the same notes are slurred. Suppose three quarter notes are tied as if they were to be slurred. Why would they be written that way, instead of as a dotted half, unless they were ment to be tongued?
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Basically this comes out of singing where the singer has different syllables on one single sustained breath. Instrumentally, the interpretation that works is to sustain each note full value with a very light tonguing to start each note. i.e. Think of yourself as a singer.

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 RE: That old bugaboo
Author: paul 
Date:   1999-03-15 21:00

This all sounds like you're on the mark as far as I understand it. Very lightly tounged is the interpretation I was given by my pro tutor for similarly marked music in the Langenous books. The real trick was in trying to do it as well as he did. I guess there is a difference between a couple of years of part time hacking and well over 50 years of professional classical music experience and world-class training.

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