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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2007-12-18 23:32
Does anyone know whether the GS/CF/Henle version of the FS in Bb is just a transposition from the A part or has the piano part been transposed to fit the original?
Thanks
BP
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2007-12-18 23:39
Thanks David. Was just wondering if this version did what the Southern Music arrangement did with the Mozart Concerto.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2007-12-18 23:42
I saw a music minus one recording where they transposed the mozart k622 into the key of B
"it made it kinda hard" .......... 
100% of the Fantasy Pieces that I've seen have been transposed for the Clarinet when played on Bb. It's a hard enough piano part already.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2007-12-19 01:10
Perhaps as many as half of the performers play #1 on the Bb clarinet, transposing down to avoid a couple of treacherous slurs. The best players (e.g., Kell) have scales so even that it's difficult to tell the difference, but most players jump from the frying pan into the fire, since transposing puts harmonically important notes on bad clarinet notes (e.g., throat Bb).
A few performers also transpose #2 and #3 on the Bb, but the technical problems are even worse, and I don't think it's worth it.
For me, all three pieces work best on the A clarinet. I don't think that the piano part would be playable written out a half step higher. It's much more difficult than the clarinet part even as written. There may be a version of #1 with a transposed piano part and Bb clarinet, for intermediate players, but I've never seen the whole thing in a transposed version.
Ken Shaw
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Author: davyd
Date: 2007-12-19 01:57
I once heard the first two played on (Bb) bass clarinet. IIRC, the 1st one worked out OK, but the 2nd one was a bit too hard, at least for this player.
I don't know that the piano part would be unplayable up half a step. A pianist who didn't know it in the original key wouldn't know any better.
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Author: James Langdell
Date: 2007-12-19 02:13
I don't have the books in front of me, but I recall that there were clarinet and piano anthologies published by Schirmer (Simon?) and Carl Fischer (Amato?) that each included two transpositions of those pieces. One edition had a clarinet part transposed out for Bb clarinet. The other had an additional piano part up a half step to be used with a Bb clarinet. I forget which publisher's collection had which permutation. But there has been a published transposition of the piano part.
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2007-12-19 07:17
The C.F.Peters edition has the piano part in the original keys only, and two clarinet parts - the original for clarinet in A, and a transposed part for clarinet in Bb.
The transposed part is significantly harder than the original, but certainly not impossible for a moderately competent player. As Ken Shaw says, the main problem with the transposed part is not the need to negotiate five sharps, it is the number of times throat A# appears just before or after long Bnat, producing an unwanted tonal contrast compared to the original Bnat, Cnat.
C.F.Peters now publish a CD of piano accompaniment (catalogue number FMP 22108) - I haven't heard it so I can't say how good it is.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2007-12-19 08:08
"As Ken Shaw says, the main problem with the transposed part is not the need to negotiate five sharps, it is the number of times throat A# appears just before or after long Bnat, producing an unwanted tonal contrast compared to the original Bnat, Cnat."
But for those of us that play full Boehms (and do the 1st mvmt. on Bb), the B-A# tone quality issue is resolved.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-12-19 15:49
The Schirmer's Library of musical Classics, Volume 1747, "Masterworks for Clarinet and Piano" has the Fantasiestuck in both Bb and A. Only one piano part is provided.
This book is a real bargain, containing the Fantasiestuck, The Weber Grand duo Concertant, The Weber Variations on Sylvane, The mendelssohn Sonata, the Brahms Sonatas.
The Tre Tempi series has a orchestral CD accompaniment for the Mozart Concerto that has been transposed to Bb (the whole orchestra parts!). In my view, the orchestra accompaniment here is wonderful --particularly sensuous is the sonorous tutti sections of the second movement where the clarinet steps aside to allow the orchestra to come up to the foreground. Great stuff.
Bob Phillips
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Author: kuteclar
Date: 2007-12-20 04:10
The "Recital Clarinetist" edited by Ben Armato has the Phantasiestucke "for Bb or A clarinet" - this edition has the clarinet part only in A, but includes a transposed piano part to accommodate. I have not seen any other versions that have the transposed piano part; I can only imagine the added difficulty.
The rest of the collection includes:
Wagner - Adagio
Cavallini - Adagio-Tarantella
Verdi - Andante from La Forza del Destino
Schumann - Phantasiestucke
Mouquet - Solo de Concours
Rabaud - Solo de Concours
Stravinsky - Three Pieces
I don't know how the editing is in this book - I have not compared it yet to other editions.
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