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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-09-17 01:34
Search for past threads on this, especially those with Jim Lande's name on them -- he has probably one of the finest collection of metal clarinets in the world, and is probably one of the foremost experts on these also.
Yes, there are some fabulous metal clarinets (Bb and A soprano, not just the large modern Leblanc low clarinets). I've had the privilege of playing some of Jim's treasures including Haynes double-wall metal clarinets, Silver Kings, Penzel-Mueller "Artist Model" (I now have one of these of my own), etc. Any of these are a match for the best wood clarinets, in my opinion. And yes, they sound like clarinets. Exactly.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-09-17 06:43
Right On,Dave. I have 3 but no double walled one. Always fun to pull one out to play for people who've never seen/heard one.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-17 09:16
Look out for an old Selmer Paris one with the microtuning barrel, get one of those if you can. They even made them in full Boehm.
I do like the Conn ones for the simple fact they had grub screws in the pillars to lock the point screws in place.
And they do indeed sound and play well.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-09-17 19:19
Speaking of old tuning barrels....I've got an old wood one with a metal insert. Will probably take a photo and post separately.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-17 19:29
Just in the top socket?
I remember a B&H clarinet at school that had a short wooden barrel with a metal lined bore and top socket with knurling around where the top ring would normally be - but it didn't budge even if it was meant to.
I mentioned a Cabart clarinet with lined sockets a few days back, but it's a shame the original barrel was lost and the replacement was a normal one with unlined sockets.
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Author: rogerb40uk
Date: 2005-09-17 20:19
Hanson Clarinets make a titanium clarinet.
At about 5000GBP it certainly *should* be good, :-) as their other instruments seem to be.
Best regards
Roger
Post Edited (2005-09-18 08:32)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-17 20:24
I wonder how flat they'll play when it's cold?
Still no pictuers of them yet.
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Author: ghuba
Date: 2005-09-17 23:38
Chris P wrote:
> I wonder how flat they'll play when it's cold?
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> Still no pictuers of them yet.
Have any of the Hanson titanium clarinets been produced as of this date? Has anyone on the list played one? The notice that these are available has been on the Internet for quite some time without any pictures (on a web site which is picture heavy).
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Author: rogerb40uk
Date: 2005-09-18 08:35
Don't ask me, Guv, ask Alistair Hanson!
He has always responded to my emails with great candour :-)
(I didn't see any inthe 'warehouse' when I visited last Monday! I assume they are strictly 'built to order', although there must be at least one demo instrument. )
Best regards
Roger
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-09-18 13:12
My Selmer Paris Radio Improved [RI] [1932] Full Boehm [a rare bird??] has this "tube" in its barrel, which extends about an inch or two into the "slightly-enlarged" upper joint area. The main functions of it that I see, is that it diminishes the "step" in those bores when pulling the barrel for down-tuning and will prevent any leakage due to possible barrel cracking. Thots? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: cdgaflash
Date: 2005-10-05 02:11
Hi. I own a Selmer Paris jointed Bb (tuning barrel, 7 ring, articulated G#). Its almost done being overhauled. I decided to have white leather pads installed. It had "good bones" when I got it, but it was certainly not anywhere near playable... I am looking forward to actually playing on it. I have read good things on the BB about these horns.
I have been looking for a case for it for the past 4 months or so. Seems like it would be easier to find a needle in a haystack! Even the folks at Selmer (in Paris) were not able to help. I had the chance to stop in while there this past summer.
I tried a new Signature case, but it didn't accomodate the extra height of the bell. Its currently in an old Buffet single pochette. Any suggestions?
I know that knowing exact measurements is essential. I should get the horn back home within the next week or so. Finding a vintage Selmer pochette has certainly been difficult. Are the interior sections of soft cases, ie Protec pliable enough to accomodate the extra height?
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-10-05 15:10
Selmer stocks cases for CURRENT horns (or can get them converted), but if you have an older horn you are out of luck.
I have not been able to purchase a replacement for my early 1970's Selmer Paris bass clarinet to low C. I've ordered "the correct case" from both dealers and from Selmer, and in each case I've been shipped one into which neither joint fits properly.
Looking for a metal horn's case is about as far out of the realm of possibility as you're going to get...
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2005-10-18 04:27
Actually, my double walled Penzel Muller is the "Clari-met" model. Whatever that means.
The Conn pro model metal clarinet had an adjustible tuning barrel but no locking screws on the posts. I'm not sure if any of the Conn metal clarinets had those locking screws but I have seen them on the Conn "violin finish" plywood Pan American. The Conn pro models are among my absolute favorites.
It is pretty easy to convert a sears under-the-truck-seat plastic tool box to hold a metal clarinet. You need good quality foam rubber, velvet. and some imagination.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-10-18 13:32
The key to making a good set of case guts (don't bother with making the case; buy one instead) is to get a large block of high density polyethylene foam, a "hot wire" cutting device (make one from a model railroading transformer and a piece of nichrome wire, or buy one at a craft store), a layout template of the horn (make one out of xerographic copies of the horn held the right way on the copier glass, taping the pieces of a copy of a long joint together if you need to), and an electric knife (to carefully cut the all important end slots.
Once you have scooped out the cavities, you cover the foam with the cloth, gluing it into place with a innocuous glue as you go along. The slots at the end are for the excess cloth that's left when you glue it flat along the top surface of the foam and down into the cavities; the "fold" of cloth that remains is gathered down into the slots as the cloth is placed down into the cavities.
Check out any wooden support, loose hanging cloth case at the ends of the joints and you'll see what I mean.
I once had the name and address of the company that makes the "boxes" for Leblanc, and the proprietor told me by telephone that if I could come up with the guts, they could make a custom box to fit them for very little money. Don't have the information any more though - too many computers ago, I guess.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: susieray
Date: 2005-10-18 20:09
Attachment: case.jpg (172k)
Attachment: Silva-Bet.jpg (203k)
It is possible to find nice vintage cases by constantly searching ebay listings for lesser-known brands of older clarinets. Lots of times these old horns come in great cases that are still very good condition. Since the clarinet itself is often a brand that most people have not even heard of, the bidding usually doesn't go too high.
I am attaching a couple of pictures of a case I found this way. It happens to fit my Silva-Bet perfectly. This particular case originally housed a wooden Siour-Champlain clarinet which I picked up for $51. The clarinet itself was nothing I really wanted, so I simply placed it in an old beater case and sold it. I got my money back, and ended up getting this case for my Silva-bet for nothing.
Sue
Post Edited (2005-10-26 16:16)
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Author: saturnsax
Date: 2005-10-20 03:38
I have a Selmer Paris Metal clarinet with the origional case in playable condition. The only thing I don't have is the origional mouthpiece. I collect old clarinets and this one caught my eye at a garage sale.
It has been in my care for about 15 years. [snipped - GBK]
No time for me to really finish it at this time.
I needs a repad but i am able to get all of the notes to play and I've worked out most of the problems the horn had from sitting still in the case for who knows how long.
All keys move but the tunable barrel on the top doesn't move. I'm thinking about setting it in some type of oil or something to free it up if i keep it. nevertheless, it's a solid player and a solid horn with all matching numbers.
I've been busy doing other things so my full restoration of the instrument hasn't been done yet. Basically it just needs a repad and corks.
By the way, this instrument comes apart like a regular wooden clarinet. Top and bottom joints, barrel, and bell.
Post Edited (2005-10-20 03:51)
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-10-20 14:47
For those of you who want to take photos of shiny musical instruments (brass, metal clarinets, saxomaphones), I've been taught that the best way to avoid the blinding flash issue is to take the photos outdoors, using natural light. The scattering of the sunlight in the atmosphere prevents the "ball o' light" problem seen in so many sax (and, in this case, metal clarinet) photos.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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