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 Re: Neidich's Copland vs. Goodman's Copland?
Author: ken 
Date:   2005-06-25 03:14

If the referred to "Q passage" is mm. 297-322 and 350-378, I agree this section should be played with rhythmic precision and dogmatically straight. More, the Q&A dotted 8-16ths must not be swung and remain strictly metered. In my own small circles, I’ve debated many who felt the passage should be lightly swung, even shaped and developed into hard swing. The two primary justifications for swing are: 1) The underlying half pizz, walking bass line demands a "bending and stretching of meter" 2) The melody is a quote of a Brazilian pop tune and thus stylistically replicated.

Examining harmonic structure, Copland undeniably applies "jazz elements" and influences, namely sections where he incorporates revolving non-functional harmony that switch from specific to varying tonal centers, (i.e., mm. 130-145, 206-222, culminating in m. 245.)

One other observation comparing to the Gould Derivations; Morton Gould purposefully included Benny “signature licks” (last 2 mm in 4th movement, descending 3-octave F Major broken arpeggio) to promote a jazzy feel and personalize the work. Copland neglected to do this, however, when composing for specific “clients” he easily flowed from style to style --- his 1927 Concerto for Piano and Orchestra is a text book example within the “framework” of symphonic jazz. One could surmise, when composing his Concerto for Goodman he strived to highlight the soloists' strongest musical attributes and place emphasis on "themes and style". v/r Ken

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