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Author: kfeder@hotmail.com
Date: 2004-11-07 20:11
I do not have any experience transposing music that is written in fake books, etc. I am playing with others (violin, flute, etc.) who have instruments pitched in C and I need to rewrite the music for Bb clarinet. Is there an internet source or thread on this Bboard that would tell me how to do that?
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Author: pewd
Date: 2004-11-07 20:13
up a whole step, like you do in band, its in concert pitch, you transpose up a second
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-11-07 20:33
We have talked about transpositions before, please search our archives. Playing music in C [piano dtc] on a Bb inst requires you to play 1 note higher and add 2 #'s to the key signature. There are many other trans. and tricks in this business. Luck, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-11-07 21:49
So...if the music for the C pitch instruments is in the key of C you play the key of Dmaj...two sharps.... and you raise each note by one note higher. So, for example, if their note is Bnatural you play a C sharp...i.e. a "C" natural because it's one note higher...but a C# because of the key signature. Geez, I hope this is right!!
Bob Draznik
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2004-11-07 22:02
Well, if the piano (etc.) note is "C", you play a whole step up. If the piano note is "D", you play a whole step up. If the piano note is "E", you play a whole step up. Whatever the piano ( C instrument) note is, you play a whole step up.
The thing about adding two sharps is another way to help you remember. It's not additive, or cumulative, or whatever.
All things being equal, the clarinet pitched in Bb by definition plays a whole step lower than an instrument pitched in C. That's what it means to be a "Bb" instrument. So, to play from a score written for a C instrument, play a whole step up. Period.
If it helps you to understand what you are playing in terms of tonality, play the key that is a whole step up from the Bb key. So, if my Bb score shows that I am playing in F (one flat), the C score will be written in G (one sharp). Applying the "two sharp" rule, that means the first (conceptual) sharp cancels the flat, and the second (conceptual) sharp adds one sharp.
For me, it's just easier to think one step up.
Susan
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2004-11-07 22:50
You could put the music into a note writting program and let it do it for you. Just input the music in its current format and then use the transpose feature to move the notes up by 2 half steps (1 whole step). Usually the programs have transposition listed in 1/2 steps so that's why I wrote 2 1/2 steps instead of a whole step.
Add 2 sharps to the key signature (or if in flats you remove 2 of the flats).
Exception would be that the key of F (1 flat) would be in G (1 sharp)
Post Edited (2004-11-07 22:50)
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Author: kfeder@hotmail.com
Date: 2004-11-08 17:15
Thanks for the replies to my initial post. I found this table on the internet which shows the following relationship between C and Bb (C is on the left with Bb on the right)
C=D
C#= Eb
D=E
Eb=F
E=F#
F=G
F#= Ab
G=A
G#/Ab=Bb
A=B
Bb=C
So can I assume that If I am looking at music written for "C" instruments I can just make the above substitutions and that would be a transposition?
Many thanks, Ken
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2004-11-08 18:16
Yes. Or you can get a Bb fake book.
David, what kind of primitive program does it by half steps? In the one I use you just select what you want to transpose and choose the interval. It's as easy as that.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-11-09 16:18
Bob D - Ypu asked about transposition references, it is a "required" discussion in our "good books", check their indexes. Brymer has 2 sections, Lawson 6 listings, prob. several in Rendall etc. They will be more authorative than , at least, mine, since I employ several short-cut methods, and am far from any formal training. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2004-11-09 23:15
I don't recall anything on the topic in the Rendall book, but there is a whole chapter on the subject in the Stubbins book on the clarinet. It covers just about any transposition you could want to deal with, as well as clef changes and the like.
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Author: 3dogmom
Date: 2004-11-10 00:30
Why don't you just get some fake books written for B flat instruments to solve the problem??
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Author: BobD
Date: 2004-11-10 14:59
GBK...the bookmark link you mention is certainly an exellent reference among the many on the subject. Hiding the:
"'Also if you get an accidental, you must apply it to the note as if it is "lowering" or "raising" from the note that would normally be there."
at the end of the notes is a good example of the frustration that we amateurs encounter trying to master the subject.
Bob Draznik
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Author: kfeder@hotmail.com
Date: 2004-11-11 06:14
The reason this came up was sometimes music for Bb instruments are not available and you have to transpose it for the clarinet. Some fake books do not Bb versions available.
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