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Author: Wicked Good ★2017
Date: 2003-11-26 01:27
I'm having a devil of a time finding information about these instruments. Can anyone who has actually played a Patricola do a compare/contrast with, say, a Buffet R-13?
How well are the Patricolas built? Do they play well? Are they suitable for professional-level symphonic and chamber playing? I'm particularly interested in finding out more about the CLE E-flat model in grenadilla.
Thanks in advance.
WG
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2003-11-26 01:39
I have four rosewood Patricolas: A, Bb, C, and Eb. The action is excellent. The intonation is occasionally a bit squirrely. The funky throat Bb is not as good as it should be (as as good as the similar mechanism on a Rossi). If you are in the NYC area let me know and you can try them.
Check out their website.
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2003-11-26 05:05
Search this site and the Klarinet List. You will find many comments, mostly good. I think it is safe to say that their Eb is pretty well liked by many people. In a word, they are good clarinets, and particularly good for their price. You will find places to try them out, the mail order houses for example, and you can decide for yourself.
WT
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Author: Robert Small
Date: 2003-11-26 05:10
I have a Patricola Eb in grenadilla. Very nice little horn. Intonation is pretty good for an eefer, better than on my Vito anyway. The sound to my ears is very good though the upper registers do get a little piercing. Keywork and action are topnotch--smooth as butter. The only negative is the Bb booster mechanism. It takes some of the stuffiness out of the throat Bb but it makes it quite sharp so I close the mechanism off with a piece of cork. The Bb is much better in tune this way. Some of the other features the horn has I find more useful such as the articulated G#/C# (it can be de-avtivated), auxillary left hand Eb/Ab key, and the design of the sliver keys (alternate Bb/Eb and F#/B). They're short and very thin so they stay out of the way until needed. Anyone looking to buy or try out a pro level eefer should have the Patricola on their short list.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-11-26 07:42
An articulated G#/C# key means that even if you hold down that key while you play your right notes, it won't distort them at all. It makes trilling VERY easy, let's say from an F to G# in the clarion. Also easy to trill from a G# to an A in the left hand.
Basically, if your left hand ring finger isn't down, the hole closes up again (which is why there it will be a seven ring, not six ring clarinet).
Alexi
http://clarinet.cc/ArticulatedGUtilization.htm
http://www.statelineinstrumentrepair.com/Strange.html
That second url also has a VERY fascinating clarinet at the bottom of the page for those who care to take a look.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Wicked Good ★2017
Date: 2003-11-26 10:34
Thanks for all the informative replies! I'll check the Patricolas out as soon as I can convince the wife it's eefer time. Looks like Patricola's website is down, but hopefully that's temporary.
WG
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-11-27 04:12
wicked - you might also look at Amarti's Effers (sp?). Czech made, but hugely improved on the good old iron curtain days ... according to popular legend.
Also - ripiamonti make beautiful instruments, not seen outside of Italy much, however.
http://www.laripamonti.com/
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
Post Edited (2003-11-27 04:13)
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Author: Wicked Good ★2017
Date: 2003-11-27 13:36
Thanks, I'll give them both a look-see. There are lots of posts on the board specifically about the Amatis, and GBK certainly likes them. I'd heard of the Ripamonti clarinets but never seriously considered them. I know of no U.S. distributor, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. I'll do some more digging.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-11-28 06:30
GBK is, of course, correct. However, he failed to note why the instrument may have a seventh ring (for L3):
This ring is needed on Clarinets designed to play the "Fork Eb/Bb" (fingered T, L1, L3), which is another added "feature" (AKA "dreadful complexity") of the so-called "Full Boehm" Clarinet.
Regards,
John
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-11-28 06:40
Wicked: The recent thread. "Amati Kraslice Clarinets" includes a post regarding an "excellent Amati eefer." The poster offered to respond to an email on the matter.
Regards,
John
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2003-11-29 01:56
Interesting stuff GBK and JMcAulay. Never knew about that. Thanks.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Snowy
Date: 2003-12-01 23:29
May I break into this thread with a question - maybe a new thread but no idea of title ( help please Mark)
JMacaulay wrote:-
>GBK is, of course, correct. However, he failed to note why the instrument may >have a seventh ring (for L3):
>This ring is needed on Clarinets designed to play the "Fork Eb/Bb" (fingered >T, L1, L3), which is another added "feature" (AKA "dreadful complexity") of the >so-called "Full Boehm" Clarinet.
I have played full boehm instruments for most of my playing life - and have the deformed right thumb to prove it .
Only in the last year since my introduction to Vade-Mecum have I realized that the L3 ring may be a disdvantage and that is specifically in the trill from C# to D# (and G# A# clarion). Whilst the fork fingering from C to D# seems in tune the C#D# is most definetly not. The D# is dull and (I feel) below proper pitch. I have a Selmer 10 and 10S Bb and an Amati A and this is common to all three instrs.
Completely unrelated, since my introduction to Vade Mecum I also seem to be more and more using the 3/4 boehm fingerings and wonder whether it is worth changing back.
Can anyone of you more learned people comment in a generalized way on the specific advantages (other than weight reduction ) of the 3/4 boehm ?
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