 The Clarinet BBoard
|
Author: wyatt
Date: 2003-07-29 16:36
how far ahead do you read? one note, one measure, one line. or what?
bob gardner}ÜJ
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: David
Date: 2003-07-29 16:49
Can't really tell. I don't really think about the notes, more the shape of the phrase.
Probably why my sight-reading's rubbish...
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: n_hanson12
Date: 2003-07-29 17:02
I think that the more you practice it, the farther you are able to read ahead. I know that I can read ahead much farther than I used to, now that I have been working on it. Well, that's my 2 cents worth anyhow.
~Nicki
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Gretchen
Date: 2003-07-29 17:12
probably one grouping of notes. So if there is a group of 4 16th notes that I'm on, I'll look ahead to the next few while I'm playing the 1st 4, and so on. If there's a group of 2 8th notes (or maybe 4 8th notes depending on how it's written) I'll look ahead that way. I'll look ahead most of the time one measure of quarternotes half notes or whole notes most of the time...lots more if it's slow.
Think about when you read a book though. You read ahead and don't even realize it.
hope this helps!
Gretchen
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: javier garcia m
Date: 2003-07-29 17:13
I'm a good "reader" I guess. I can read a whole measure 4/4 (if there are no only32th notes). It depends also of the "Tempo" and the difficulty of passages. I read Very difficult ones almost note by note.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2003-07-29 19:59
Wyatt -
It's more complicated than that. You almost never read random notes. You read groups of notes you already know, from having practiced scales and arpeggios. In tonal music, you recognize groups of notes by their overall shape, and your fingers play them from memory. For example, when you see an ascending C major scale, you recognize it and play it as a single gesture. While you're playing it, you look ahead to recognize the next group.
I play a lot of baroque music on recorder. This has long sequences -- phrases or groups of phrases played and then repeated a step lower, then another step lower, and so on. Once you get the first one in your ears, you really can read a whole line at a time.
That's why Baermann III is so important. It teaches you the vocabulary of tonal music. You read groups of notes, and sequences of groups of notes, in the same way as you read groups of letters as words and phrases.
In atonal music, you try to read as many notes as possible. Often -- usually, in fact -- they will group together in the same types of phrasal gestures as tonal music. You practice until those phrases are as familiar as tonal phrases.
The other side of sight reading is that you do lots and lots of it, until pattern recognition seems to go directly from your eyes to your fingers. There have been several strings about this:
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=24907&t=24731
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=51268&t=51229
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=96305&t=96277
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=96305&t=96277
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=113627&t=113530
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: theclarinetist
Date: 2003-07-29 20:01
I don't really think about it. Someone once described sight-reading as recognizing patterns you've seen before. You don't really go note by note, but you don't look ahead a "certain" amount... for me, you go by patterns and the contour (like someone above mentioned). For instance, if you see a scale/arpeggio/whatever and you recognize it, then as you're playing it you can look at the next stuff.... If the piece is less scale based or contains less "recognizable patterns", then you can't look as far forward (because you're busy deciphering the current notes). I think it just depends on the piece your playing (and how well you know your scales, chords, etc).
DHite -theclarinetist@yahoo.com
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: moose6589
Date: 2003-07-30 13:59
however, what is annoying sometimes is when you fall into a habit of playing scales if you think you recognize them, then in the middle of the scale, when you're looking ahead, the composer throws in a sharp or flat that you didn't bother to look at, and it messes the sight reading up. so it's still important to be careful and look at notes, even if you think you know it's a certain scale.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-07-30 14:34
Lots of good advice above, however I've found S R differences playing the "harmony" insts, mainly bass and alto cls. Much bass is written with other low-pitch insts, frequently rhythmic parts, where reading ahead some 8-16? measures is USUALLY safe, except for such pieces as by Khachaturian, Moussorsky [sp?] and others where note patterns, and the few scales are highly UNfamiliar. With such, I find its nearly one note at a time, partic with the INcidental #'s and b's. Just thots. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Pam H.
Date: 2003-07-30 23:09
Like many others, it depends on the piece being played. You can actually practice sightreading. Choose something that you are unfamiliar with and possibly a little easier in skill level than what you'd ordinarily go for. Then before picking up the instrument, glance through the piece as a whole. Notice key and key changes, time changes, tempo changes and anything else you might want to look out for. Then have a go at playing it. No stopping to fix things as you go - just play ignoring mistakes and see how it goes.
The longer I play the clarinet again the more I'm finding that doing the scales or being comfortable in them will help. Scale runs seem to be thrown in clarinet and flute parts all the time. I'm not familiar with the Baermann, but will probably purchase it myself down the road here.
Just my 2 cents.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2003-07-31 00:15
I generally read ahead only at the end of the printing...
Particularly when playing Circus music (which I have grown to loathe) at a pace to beat the election.
Phrases are the thing for me, too.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
The Clarinet Pages
|
 |
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
