 The Clarinet BBoard
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-02 12:02
A couple of notes:
1) GBK is now a co-moderator of the BBoard to help me out. He's also starting to go through the old posts (starting back in 1999) to winnow the number down. We have nearly 118,000 posts right now, many of which aren't really informative and clog up the results when you're searching.
2) Not everyone likes what I say. That's to be expected. But insulting me (or any other BBoard member, for that matter) on a regular basis will cause your posting rights to be rescinded.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2003-07-02 13:34
My thanks to GBK for his willingness to serve. His comments are consistently among the finest on the board.
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2003-07-02 13:34
Define "on a regular basis." ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
Bob A
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Author: rbell96
Date: 2003-07-02 17:31
No comment really, just keep up the good work Mark (and now GBK of course). This website & board is a valuable resource, one which I find extremely useful.
Regards,
Rob
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2003-07-02 19:23
Great choice. GBK will be an outstanding XO.
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Author: big fat lyre112
Date: 2003-07-02 23:13
This BB has been a MAJOR help to me in so many ways...I've learned alot from other people's posts and getting many responces from people when I post a topic...keep up the good work! Thanks Mark!
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Author: diz
Date: 2003-07-02 23:31
Mark, does this mean you'll be able to get to bed earlier?
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-07-03 00:43
"Mark, does this mean you'll be able to get to bed earlier?"
Did his wife put you up to this?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-07-03 00:56
Good moves, Mark, I echo the above positives. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-03 02:07
diz wrote:
> Mark, does this mean you'll be able to get to bed earlier?
nah. Just will give me more time to get into trouble ...
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Author: Avie
Date: 2003-07-03 03:33
Good choice Mark. Also by popular demand. Ive learned so much about the clarinet in the last 6 mts. Thanks for all the hard work to keep it going. Of course I still cant play the clarinet like I would like to.
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-07-03 10:17
It's ironic - we don't like what you say, we have to live with it. You don't like what we say, post deleted, or posting rights taken away.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-03 12:06
Morrigan wrote:
> It's ironic - we don't like what you say, we have to live with
> it. You don't like what we say, post deleted, or posting rights
> taken away.
Actually, Morrigan, you haven't read or looked at what I do. There's many times I don't particularly like what someone has to say, but it passes. No comment is made.
However, when someone throws too many direct insults my way, they're no longer welcome.
I send out an invitation for you to visit with me & my houseguests. You enjoy the party, eat the food, play the piano. However, when I tell you that I don't want you jumping in the pool, you get huffy and start telling me that I have no right to tell you anything.
It's my party, my invited houseguests, my food, my house. Some of my guests help out around the house, help me buy the food and keep the house in repair, but it's still all my responsibility.
It's your responsibility to bite your tongue when the owner of the house gives you some direction, even if you think the owner's wrong, or leave the party and start your own. Because, at a certain point, the owner will toss you out - there's hundreds of other houseguests, and extra headaches from someone who thinks they can do whatever they please or say whatever they please just isn't worth the time.
Find out how difficult it is to have and run a party that's been continuously on for over 6 years.
Take some nasty little "cuts" and emails over that period of time and let me know how long you'd let someone "slide" before you said "enough - you're not worth arguing with".
And, next time, as a general note to all posters, do just a bit of research for factual information before you come and ask questions. We have more than enough noise to wade through when searching for good info. While might not like my tone of voice when I chide them for not doing the work - tough.
If you want a concrete example of how Aussie Nick should have asked his questions (and how they would have shown everyone that he had more initiative - I know he had some initiative because he looked at threads for music schools before posting ... ):
1) He would have looked up the faculty at www.yale.edu
2) He would look up the address (from the same site)
3) he would have used a map or MapQuest to find out where Yale was in relation to New York City.
5 minutes tops.
Now he would have been prepared to ask:
1) How's their music program, esp. with Schifrin
2) How's the living near Yale
3) How do you get to NYC? (modes of transportation, cost, etc.)
and we ALL would have actually learned something that ISN'T easily available. Not to pick particularly on Aussie Nick, though - it's happened before and I'm sure it'll happen again. Aussie Nick has not been insulting in any way and has I'm sure learned something from the answers to his posts.
However, you had to jump in without thinking things through and cause things to escalate - there was no reason for you to get involved.
Post Edited (2003-07-03 14:55)
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Author: Anon
Date: 2003-07-03 14:02
Mark,
Thanks for hosting this board...I think people should step back and realize that sometimes words in print can sound nasty (or nastier than intended) to a reader. Perhaps re-reading one's post before sending it out there would be a good idea for several people. That goes for ALL of us!!
People tend to say rude things on a forum where they don't have to look the other person in the eye while doing it! Please think twice before posting cutting, insulting or sarcastic comments!
The juvenile and rude comments of late have made me want to quit checking the board and I think we all will lose potential valuable posts if others feel as I have...
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-07-03 14:26
Mark,
I want to add my voice to those who appreciate being able to be guests at your "party".
I have learned a great deal from you and the other guests and had a lot of laughs too from postings by a fine group of people.
Thank you.
Hans
Post Edited (2003-07-03 14:26)
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Author: Vic
Date: 2003-07-03 16:54
Yes, I just want to agree with Hans and Anon and some others. I've learned a great deal from folks on this board. I sincerely appreciate Mark's efforts and the generally wise and friendly exchange of ideas from everyone. I've picked up outstanding tips and information from William, Ken Shaw, Mark Pinner, JMcAulay, David Dow, John Moses, the Doc, Hank, and a host of other people who I'm probably (inadvertently) leaving out. And, of course, from the inimitable, although occasionally twisted, mind of GBK and his seemingly infinite supply of knowledge.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2003-07-03 16:58
Mark-
As always, thanks for all you do. I enjoy this resource as well as the klarinet list. I do agree that there are lots of times when people are using the resources here as a place to ask others the answers to questions that they can easy find by doing a search on their own. Often the process of discovery is more educational and can also lead you down some excellent side roads as well. Keep up the good work.
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Author: Henry
Date: 2003-07-03 17:22
I wish to add my accolades to this long list! In the nine months or so that I have been participating on this BBoard, I have also learned a lot from a multitude of people I now consider friends. I am essentially new in the clarinet area and it is hard to find a better place to collect information, share frustrations, etc. In all this time, I think only two of my posts have been controversial enough to be scratched by Mark C. (and I could not really say that he was wrong!). Thanks for your dedication, Mark. You provide a very valuable service to this community. And having GBK as a co-moderator is a great idea. He continuously impresses me with his extensive knowledge, good judgment, and poetic abilities! Good luck, Glen!
Henry
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Author: Tim P
Date: 2003-07-03 17:45
Since this has turned into a "praise Mark" thread, then I too, must express my graditude. I can only hope that someday I can contribute a small percentage of amount of good information that I have gleaned from this BB. Both from recent post and by using the search engine. So far I am afraid all that I have not offered any thing but questions. I must say that I have emailed persons of the list offline and have received excellant one-on-one help.
Thanks Mark and now GBK.
"saving the world, one beer at a time"
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2003-07-03 18:01
Tim P wrote:
> Since this has turned into a "praise Mark" thread
Please don't continue ... though I appreciate the sentiments thoroughly (I'm human, you know  - or perhaps not ... ![[mad]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie9.gif) ) I pretty much enjoy the work.
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Author: Ron Jr.
Date: 2003-07-03 18:13
The information on this board is extremely valuable, mostly for the middle schooler and high schooler living in rural communities with limited clarinet resources: teachers, sheet music, recordings, equipment, and opportunities for playing and listening. I am pleased that it is up and running. Thanks for volunteering your community service.
Ron Jr.
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Author: Maarten
Date: 2003-07-04 08:03
This link is worth a read and is something to think about when participating in a forum. Morrigan, maybe you should read this text to understand better the difficulties of running a website like this.
I think it has been done very well so far. Although I don't post often, I am already reading a long time and learning many things. Keep it up Mark and GBK!
A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy
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Author: Andy
Date: 2003-07-04 09:54
Well done everyone involved with running this board.
Since we have all read of Marks background (and offspring), since GBK is helping out now, any chance of finding out a little of GBK's background?
I'm just interested to know who we are dealing with!
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-07-04 13:28
OK OK OK just to clarify; don't take me too seriously!
AussieNick knows very well I like to challenge the teachers around college by asking annoying questions and opposing their views simply to learn another way, because in my opinion sometimes only 'right' is taught, whereas I see much value in exploring the other side as well.
For example; you may think we're arguing. I think we're undergoing a journey of huge discovery together, by exploring negative as well as positive.
Today in an orchestra rehearsal, I just said to the conductor "Why?" when he asked for a particular passage to be played with more staccato. The thing is, he couldn't answer, but then he asked me why I *didn't* play it with the staccato he wanted. I couldn't answer that either. We then went into a discussion of who's way was better.
I was wrong; his way sounded much better to the rest of the orchestra. But really, I was the winner because I learned something new, and so was he because he got his way!
That's why, most often, I don't just 'go with the flow' of the BBoard - I like to challenge the views, opinions, and facts, just so that we all know what the 'other extreme' could be. I see it as expanding on something in the opposite direction.
Also ask AussieNick - I often don't agree with my colleagues and teachers. Not because I think they're wrong, but because I think there might just be something beyond what either party has in mind, and we are ALL yet to learn this.
This is probably hard to understand, but who knows, maybe one day I'll write a book about it?
I just don't see everything in black and white.
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Author: hans
Date: 2003-07-04 14:48
Morrigan,
It's fine to question, but IMO you also need to learn to be more diplomatic. "Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate" describes your possible future if you do not soften your approach.
Re your example, an orchestra is not a debating society. The conductor's job is to direct the performers and their job is to take direction. The conductor does not have to justify his instructions to individual performers. If you don't agree, it would be wiser to discuss it in private rather than in front of the entire orchestra, or get out of music.
It is entirely possible to learn without being a "difficult" student.
Hans
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2003-07-07 02:16
Hans - it wasn't really an argument, more like a discussion. The purpose of the music camp was educational, so it makes sense that I discussed the matter with the conductor.
And who says I'm a 'difficult student'?
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