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Author: john gibson
Date: 2004-04-23 21:37
Okay...you get a few extra keys to work with.....and drop down a note or two....so.....what's the purpose of it? K622? AND....isn't it longer than a standard Bb? How can it still be in pitch if it's longer? PLUS....does it fit in a regular case or do you have to..I don't know (that's why I'm asking).....put it in a case that has a longer lower section? Like a double case that accomodates an "A"?
Sorry I'm so stupid about this....
JG...the clarinator
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Author: john gibson
Date: 2004-04-24 03:29
Tom
Thanks for the link...pretty much sums up what I was thinking......no real need for anything more than "standard"....
gibson....the clarinator
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2004-04-24 04:02
But John...Full Boehms are so much fun!!! That's what the "need" is! 
And my FB came in its original case with, yes, a longer section for the lower joint. Because the interior styrofoam had deteriorated, I had a friend rebuild the inside of the case for me.
Bulgarian wedding musicians (folk-type stuff) use FB's. Not sure why, ultimately, (and I lean towards the "hey it looks much more complicated and cool" explanation for why they do...these guys are pretty "macho")
But...they do use the extra low Eb key as an ornament key for Bb4...kind of a cool effect.
Katrina
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Author: Clarence
Date: 2004-04-24 04:54
I've got mine.
1934 Selmer BT full boehm.
I have recently fully restored it.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2004-04-24 06:57
The purpose of the full Boehm clarinet is to torture the instrument repairer. I have just finished overhauling a full Boehm Rampone, one piece body to boot, and believe me I feel tortured and some.
The full Boehm set up is not much of an issue but more the low Eb extension. Bb clarinets with a range down to low Eb are the same length as an A clarinet to low E a the pitch of the lowest note is the same. This can cause some interesting intonation and set up issues for the technician. The action height of the lower pads, Ab down to Eb, needs to be carefully set up. If they are not right the intonation of B natural B flat and sometimes A is generally woeful although the corresponding F sharp, F natural and E above the break may not be affected as much. There is also much greater potential for the overall tuning to be out depending on the mouthpiece used. Barrell lengths often need to be re-thought for different mouthpiece setups. They have some of the same foibles as a low Eb bass clarinet.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2004-04-24 09:10
Hi,
I have a book of etudes by Muller (I think this is correct but they are not right in front of me) which go down to the low Eb several times. Too bad I can't use the old bari sax trick for a low A and stick my foot up into the bell :-).
HRL
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Author: William
Date: 2004-04-24 15:49
I think the main advantages of the "full Boehm" clarinet would be: 1) to be able to transpose A clarinet parts; 2) for the extra Eb key; 3) for the articulated G# enabling a really good F#5/G#5 trill; and, 4) the X0X left hand Bb/EB. Disadvantage is: 1) being essentially an A clarinet (longer) with Bb tone-hole placements and with the extra mechanisms, it weighs more, and, 2) you lose the great "full" F6 option to the articulated G#. But then, if you get really good at transposing, you can leave your A clarinet and that bulky double case at home, need only set up/disassemble one instrument (no need for those extra horn pegs either) and never have to switch quickly to that other cold clarinet and experiance the challenge of instantly playing in tune.
Incidentally, I am told that it was (is still??) the practice of the NYC Metroplitan Opera Orchestra clarinetists to transpose all the A and C clarinet parts on the Bb to avoid coping with "out of tune" instrument switchs. Former Met clarinetist Herb Blaymann (inventor of The Stands), in fact, was know as the "great transposer" playing his entire Met career on the Bb clarinet. If I remember correctly, our friend John Moses posted an amusing story a "while" ago about one time when he played in the Met orchestra and was left playing alone on a unison low E on an A clarinet part because the "transposers" could not play that sound on their Bb clarinets.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2004-04-25 22:03
Well said Wm- The Met is the BEST ! Heard nearly all of the music/singing on FM Sat. of Death/ Entrance into Vallhala [cant spell the German!], just magnificent, it took me an hour to recover. GREAT clar playing ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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