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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2002-09-27 20:00
Has software gotten to the point yet where I could scan a page from a tune book, load it into a music program, then automatically transpose it to any key I wanted?
If not, what is best software for transposing for one who does not play a musical keyboard and is poor with a typewriter keyboard as well?
Thanks for your anticipated replies.
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2002-09-27 21:02
Steve:
I recently purchased a program at http://www.smartscore.com/ for $99. You can scan the page, then transpose as you request.
Be sure to check for errors before you transpose, however. Stray marks do show up as well as intended notes/signatures, etc. (And sometimes, intended notes/signatures don't show up at all!).
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-09-27 22:15
Transposing can be learned and is an essential skill if you want to be taken seriously. All it takes is practice.
Go home and practice.
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-09-28 00:01
Hang loose Ken, at 77 I'm too old and lazy to want to be taken seriously. Let hear it for the couch potatoes who would rather play than practice. Go for it Steve. Let's hear whats available
Bob A
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-09-28 00:13
Lisa came up with probably the best out there (it's inorporated into the latest Finale versions, too). It's not terribly accurate, especially if the printing is light or blurry. Figure at least a half hour a page in cleanup if it's at all moderately complex. I find piano music to be much more prone to error than clarinet music - I spend a lot more time cleaning that up.
Then you can transpose.
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2002-09-28 00:16
The programs I'm using are a couple of generations old, but I scan the music using smartscore then "fix" the major errors. From there I import it into Finale and perform the remainder of the editing, transposing, etc..
It takes me a while, but hopefully the newer generations will do a better job, when I can afford them.
John O'Janpa
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-09-28 12:08
If it takes a half an hour per page to clean up, for me it's just as fast (often faster) to manually enter the music into the program and that includes proofreading it.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-09-28 15:44
My scanner sits here gathering dust. I bought it to scan photos, but then I bought a digital camera. And it certainly is not wonderful for scanning music, as there does not seem to be any music software available that will do a marvelous scan job without errors. Even worse, the errors may be deceptive, because they may not be obvious at all. I think Dee has the right ticket on this one. If you want the software to do something with a chart for Clarinet, let that *not* be accepting a scan.
And by the way Ken Shaw, I can and occasionally do transpose in my head, yet few people take me seriously anyway. Go figure.
Regards,
John
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2002-09-29 06:25
Thanks for your answers. I too, can sight - transpose things like pop tunes, jazz standards, etc. What I was interested in was transposing those notey keltic fiddle tunes I play on my C- clarinet, that are already in sharps keys (mostly), and played at fast tempos, so that I could play them on my soprano sax. If you think this is wierd, check out http://www.folkweb.com/einstein and click on the "Disobedience" track to hear a bari sax intro to an Irish jig.
I looked over the smartscore website and decided it was too complicated just to figure out which program I might want to download. Remember, I'm a Lazy Person. Plus, I don't own a scanner yet.
Most of these tunes are 32 bars, with an 8 bar A part and an 8 bar B part, each repeated. Bars 1, 2, and 3 of each A and B part are often repeated in bars 5, 6, and 7 of each part. So, using the cut and paste features of my free Finale Notepad, I can copy the tunes in manually with a minimum amount of work.
Sounds like there would be more work with smartscore.
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-09-29 23:19
Most of these tunes are 32 bars??
Get yourself some manuscript paper and do it by hand - it's easy:
B flat clarinet (everything up a major second)
A clarinet (everything up a minor third)
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Author: spf
Date: 2002-09-30 03:09
Hmmm,
Out of nine replys there are three answers, three neutral comments, and three negatives. Kinda like the tongue piercing thread...
If you do a search on "scanning software" you will find a few interesting threads on this subject that should be informative.
(I guess I just said "look it up" but I hope I did it nicely, and with a suggested search title)
I gues that makes 3 answers in TEN replys...
spf
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2002-10-01 05:42
Yes, I can do it by hand. Know how. But like I said, I'm LAZY.
Using the free version of Finale Notepad is one step up from doing it by hand. It's easiest just to copy as is then let the program do the transposing; the program should do something for its money (free:-).
The only thing is, no one I know can make Notepad print four bars per line instead of three.
At least you get nice, legible copies, though.
I don't think I'll have my tongue pierced, thank you.
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-10-01 18:31
err...I always thought an A clarinet is DOWN a minor 3rd from C major and on Bb I've found it easier to think up a "whole step" rather than a major 2nd.
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2002-10-03 21:01
There's nobody lazier than me. I bought a C clarinet so I could read off the piano/accordian player's music. That's LAZY.
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Author: Steve Epstein
Date: 2002-10-04 07:08
<There's nobody lazier than me. I bought a C clarinet...>
Oh, I've been playing one of those for years! This is to transpose to the Bb soprano sax. C - soprano saxes are not nearly as common as C - tenors (C - melodies), and I shudder to think what the intonation of one might be like, judging the way I sound on my Bb soprano!
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