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Author: john gibson
Date: 2002-07-04 03:17
Hi my friends....
Tried to do a search and either my computer....or the server is not cooperating....
I have a bit of extra cash...and would like to fill the "hole"
in my double case with another clarinet...here's what I'm thinking...Selmer with 7 rings and articulated G#...cork pads on upper..felt on lower..reasonably good shape. Doesn't need anything right now. Made in 1947 according to serial number search.
OR....Boosey Hawkes 10-10, that does need an overhaul, but has no cracks or visible abuse. BOTH within a few dollars of each other....Selmer plays pretty well. At least once I put the right MPC and reed on....10-10...good tone...but how can you tell when it needs work?
Need some help....You folks are the best at sorting this stuff out so we clarinetists can make educated decisions......
WHAT DO YOU THINK? Any thoughts?.....HELP!!!! before I spend on something that may end up being a mistake....
John
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Author: Wes
Date: 2002-07-04 07:49
Normally, I would recommend the Selmer although I do not prefer the model with 7 rings and articulated G#. The extra ring doesn't feel so good to me and it is more complex to maintain. Which one would have a greater resale value if you change your mind later?
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Author: JackOrion
Date: 2002-07-04 08:48
the 10-10 without a doubt. Do a search on ebay for Selmer and then B&H, all you'll find are Edgeware clarinets.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-07-04 14:02
I have 2 Selmers, P series '52-3 [big bores] both 17/6's, the one marked Centered Tone [the other, a French import, is not marked, a Balanced Tone??] was preferred by [and loaned to] my good friend-cl teacher, and at least earlier, me. This last week, I have been mp/reed/barrel experimenting on the ?BT? and have found a combo which is great, so what seemed like a big diff. is reduced. I have repaired/played several B&H's over the years, nearly bought [in GB several years ago] an expensive pro model, sure looked good but felt much different from my LeBlancs back then. I guess what I am trying to say is, like marriage, its necessary to work diligently to achieve good results. "Yours" are both fine horns, try and study them. My FB '32 Sel has very good key structure, the Ab/EB lever and Art. C#/G# are my preferred "extras". Don
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Author: john gibson
Date: 2002-07-04 14:34
Jack...
You've played a 10-10? It sure looks to be top of the line and expensive when new. I understand it's a big bore and requires special mouthpiece. Any thoughts? Wouldn't have an edgeware....
Don...
the 7 ring french import Selmer you ahve sounds lke the one I'm looking at. An "N" series but no model name...the barrel is a 10G.
So you think this is a big bore like yours?
Thanks to you both....
John
PS to Wes...whch would have the higher resale value? Don't know.
Maybe the 10-10 since there are fewer of them. Lots of Selmers on ebay...
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-07-04 14:54
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Both instruments are older professional models. B&H 10-10 were not as popular in the US as Selmer. Bear in mind that after the war B&H introduced the Imperial 926 as their top line model. The DESIGN WAS BASED strongly on a pre-war Selmer, but a larger bore was added. Why would they do that? Or, maybe, they thought Selmer was more superior???? Anyway, I own N series Selmer from 1949 and absolutely love it. IMO, N series are in some ways better than more acclaimed Balanced Tone and Centered Tone. I would recommend Selmer..... V
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Author: Fred
Date: 2002-07-04 14:56
I'd make sure that the 10G barrel is a good match for the Selmer. I wouldn't really think it would be as the earlier Selmer was a larger bore than the 10G . . . but who knows until you try it. Not having the original barrel would IMO reduce the value of the older Selmer.
I'd WANT to go with the 1010 because they are uncommon. Don't know if it would be the RIGHT thing to do, but that's what I'd WANT to do.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-07-04 15:18
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Selmer 10G barrel definitely is NOT a good match for "N" series Selmers. 10G barrel essentially is the same as Moenig / Buffet barrel for R-13.....V
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-07-04 16:09
Well put, Fred and Vytas, I agree that the [somewhat-smaller?] 10G barrel doesnt belong on our big-bore Selmers, I measured mine at .590" 15.0mm, unless it has been rebored??. I make "little finger checks" for matching mp to barrel to UJ, not that playing differences [to me] may be immediately noticeable, but believe in "cylindrical integrity" whatever that is!! I bought 2 extra used barrels to get bettet bore matching. Yes, JG, they prob. are all the same large bores that B Goodman, A Shaw and G Miller's lead cl'ist, et al, played in them-there-days. However, get an adjustable caliper [maybe from a machinist] and make your measurements AND look for any "egging" of the bores. Luck, Don
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-07-04 16:27
If you haven't read Lee Gibson's "Clarinet Acoustics", do so, even tho some "experts" disagree with parts of it. He lists the 10-10 as 15.3mm!! bore and says it has poorer modal ratios [12ths to me] than the smaller bores. [A real jumgle out there] !! Don
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Author: Doug Vogl
Date: 2002-07-04 22:26
I's been a couple years since I read "Clarinet Acoustics" but that's what I remember his comments being on the 10-10, that it wasn't in tune with itself. I'd go with the 10-10 anyway just for fun, then sell it and get a Different good horn. Then you'll be an expert on the 10-10!
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Author: Jamie Talbot
Date: 2002-07-05 09:43
There,s a slightly different way of blowing a 1010 compared to smaller bore instruments.You need to use a more 'open throat' but as
far as tuning is concerned,come on,it,s a clarinet!Everybody knows
that they,re not in tune.The instrument that doesn,t need any
coaxing or compensation on some notes hasn,t been made yet.That,s
half the fun of playing the clarinet.
I,d go for the 1010.The quality of tone possible on them is wonderful but you have to show it who,s boss!
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Author: David Dow symphony nb
Date: 2002-07-05 14:09
I'm not getting into acoustics talk!!!!
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2002-07-06 13:36
Heard/saw the PBS special on Glenn Miller's bands/music last nite, very good and informative. The narrator was Norman Leyden, [at least in his 80's] who was close to G M for many years, as cl'ist? as well as arranger. He played along as conductor on several tunes, in partic. on Moonlight Serenade [with the Air Force Band of the Rockies , they played a free concert "Rite Here in River City" not long ago!] it sure sounded exactly [cl] original [into a mike however] and it sure looked like my '40-50s Selmer Paris!! Did anyone else see this?, if so please post!! Don
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