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Author: clarinet713
Date: 2002-05-09 03:42
Hi
Does anyone have any info on the Berg 4 Pieces for Clarinet and Piano?
Thanks
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-05-09 04:21
clarinet 713...As there are a number of obvious research sources to try, I will not list them here.
Perhaps the best source of all is to read Carner's book "Alban Berg: The Man and His Work" (Duckworth and Co. - 1975)...GBK
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-05-09 09:18
I think we had a question something like this a little while ago, not about Berg, but a research question that could be as easily looked up by you than by any of us.
I would try a music library, or even a normal library with a good section on music. I'm sure there is a wealth of information on the internet. Also check any CD covers which have the piece.
Good luck
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Author: John
Date: 2002-05-09 14:25
referring to Susannah's comment about research...which she kept very cordial....this often comes up when people are asking for research information. I agree that a person should go to obvious research sources on the internet, libraries, and scholarly works. But, I was taught in grad school that research also includes interviewing knowledgable people. Why is it so irritating to bulletin board and Klarinet list people that these questions be asked? Where else can one go on the internet to find such high quality people in the clarinet field?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-05-09 14:46
John...I do agree with you insofar as the bulletin board should be used as resource for information. There are some high quality/scholarly contributors that frequent this site, and often are quite willing (and happy) to impart their knowledge on specific subjects.
If you noticed, I did provide what I consider a very good source for the information requested. However, something as basic as background and historical information on a well known work should be within the grasp of most high school and college level students.
If one is old enough to be work on the Berg "Vier Stücke", then some basic research should not be a problem.
However, the impression I received from the initial question was that the student had not made any attempt at all to start to locate information.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the level of attempt the poster had made.
Perhaps not...GBK
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-05-09 14:49
John, IMHO it's just a matter of wishing that ALL students (and through life we are all indeed students) learn research techniques a lot ealier than your statement of: "I was taught in grad school that research also includes interviewing knowledgable people." Properly taught the art of research begins a long long time before grad school.
GBK mentions "obvious research sources." Do many pre-grad school searchers know what they are, or how to do research? It's best that they are reminded frequently, and that they learn early, it will save much time (in grad school?) if they do. This also ties in with the "wonderment" of why most Colleges and Universities now require a no-credit English course of all First Year students prior to full stream admittance.
Bob A
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-05-09 17:50
Bob -
I agree with GBK on this one. Even undergraduate music majors may not be familiar with the basics of research (though they should be), but how much effort or expertise does it take to go to the music librarian or find a recording and read the liner notes? This was a bare question, and a bare reference to an authoritative book is the answer it deserved.
Ken Shaw
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-05-09 18:13
Ken...I am pleased to see that we agree on this one, and I value your vote of support.
Much appreciated...GBK
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-05-09 19:19
My question is why anyone would want to concern themselves with this piece of music.
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Author: John
Date: 2002-05-09 20:25
Hi everyone. I do not disagree with anyone here about the research question, and I did not mean to single anyone out for my comment about doing interview style research. I just wanted to react to some of the more unkind comments made off and on here to people with questions. None of the posts in this thread would qualify as unkind. And to Jim S., Berg's 4 Pieces are full of depth....you may want to spend some more time with it, especially with the piano part.
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Author: beejay
Date: 2002-05-09 21:58
If you type Alban Berg Vier stucke, clarinet in Google, you will already find a considerable amount of material that could be complemented in a public library.
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-05-10 03:03
The academic problem with doing interview research via a forum such as this one is that while there are mant extremely qualified folk who respond (just read through some of the "who we are" threads from the past,) there is no way of providing documentation of the qualifications of the contributers.
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Author: clarinet713
Date: 2002-05-10 14:57
I'm sorry for even posting this question and will not post another one like it.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-05-10 18:41
713 -
Everybody has the right to ask a question, and you got some good information in reply. The fight isn't over you at this point, but about a more abstract question.
Please ask more questions. I gently suggest you will get better responses if you do a little work on your own first, to find out the basics.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-05-11 04:01
I agree exactly with Ken Shaw's previous response. I'm sure we would be more likely to contribute some of our own knowledge if we felt that we were not merely being 'used' as a free and easy source of information. If we thought that we would also learn something as a result of posting it would be a very worthwhile topic.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-05-11 04:39
susannah...I agree in spirit with your response, and that is why I did not write a complete history on the Berg, but rather "pointed the way."
If you also noticed, on the thread concerning the Finzi "Five Bagatelles", I actually outlined the important research points that should be discussed.
Obviously, it still was not enough for that particular person...GBK
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