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Author: Eugene
Date: 2002-04-11 04:00
whats the most effecient way of trilling lowc to e-flat or high g onthe line to b-flat above fast
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Author: Rene
Date: 2002-04-11 05:22
Question from the not so experienced: Who requires such a trill? You'd have to use the side key for e flat while lifting the third finger at the same time. Hard to do really fast and evenly.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-04-11 10:53
For starters this is a tremolo not a trill. Try simply moving the first finger of the left hand. This will give you the effect of the tremolo although the upper note will be stuffy sounding. While this won't work when played slowly, it's ok for a tremolo.
The same approach can be used when trilling from Ab just above the staff to Bb just above the staff.
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Author: jez
Date: 2002-04-11 11:48
There is a good way to do it, but it depends on the size of your fingers and the design of your keywork. I have quite big hands and I can keep the left hand first finger hole covered while leaning it down to close the pad below. (the pad that closes for forked Eb/Bb) It's like the 'button' Bb on a saxophone. It's easy enough to tremolo the 2nd. and 3rd. fingers together. There used to be a key to facilitate this on older Boosey & Hawkes clarinets (pre-war 1010s) but I don't think any modern manufacturers have kept it (I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong) which is a shame. It's a useful gadget if your hands can't reach.
Talking trills; Do you just move the one finger that's doing the trilling, pivoting on the knuckle, or have you tried holding firmly with the rest of the fingers that are down, stiffening the moving finger and shaking from, I suppose, the elbow? Almost like a string players vibrato. It seems terrible advice to recommend tensing anything but you can get a really fast trill that way.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-11 12:06
I have often used a variation of jez's idea depending upon the context of the tremolo (no notes immediately before or after the tremelo):
As jez suggests, by closing the the pad below the first finger hole one can get a "perfect" tremelo.
This can also be accomplished by supporting the clarinet between the knees and using the first finger of the right hand to hold down the pad below the first finger hole, thus making a C to E tremelo become C to Eb. The concept is similar to G to Bb on the saxophone using the "bis" key.
Another possibility (on Buffet clarinets) is to play the C and hold the bridge key up by it's wing with the right thumb and tremelo from C to E. This method will also depress the pad below the first finger hole.
As I first mentioned, both methods necessitate supporting the clarinet between the knees (or on the knee) and there is ample time to execute this "non textbook" method.
Of course, don't show your stand partner this method, and let him wonder how your tremolo sounds so "perfect", while his/hers isn't ..GBK :-)
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Author: jez
Date: 2002-04-11 12:58
GBK
Great ideas. Why didn't I think of them? It becomes clear that people are right and "you're the man" for fingering ideas; which being the case, can I ask for some tricks with a couple of pieces?
Firstly; Debussy La Mer, the nasty solo that trills from throat F to G then E to F# then goes down to Eb, up to G, then they come back written out (wish I could write music on this thing)
Secondly; Bartok Miraculous Mandarin, one of the clarinet duets where the 1st. player has to tremolo from high D# down to B then go down an arpeggio.
Dee
Let's call it C to D# then it can still be a trill.
Good clarinetting
jez
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-04-11 20:52
For the G to Bb tremolo, you might try using
TR xxx oxx E and
TR Xoo oxx E.
The corollary fingering in Chalumeau doesn't work on the instrument I have together right now, but it might on some. Opening the left C#/G# key may help.
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