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Author: Laur
Date: 2001-09-02 05:37
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1459855919>
What is this ? It's from the same guy who has the awesome crystal clear clarinet ( my band director said he'll transfer me to our rival hs, if i show up for band with that ! and the Rossi.. He says it's a wooden soprano sax, but it looks like an old albert ( ? ) system clarinet to me.. I've never seen a wooden saxophone. Is that possible ?
He're what the listing says :
"This wooden soprano sax is a original Tarogatto made by Stowasser/Budapest in 1895. Its a very national hungarian instrument with sn: 19865. Original wooden mouthpiece with ligature and cap also marked 19865 TÖRV.VIEL. Most likely all grenadill-wood, with a soft and warm tone. Keywork is made of nickel-silver and its in very good playing condition. On pic no.6 you almost can´t see a very old fine crack in the bell; one tightening which should be renewed with thread. Cork and pads are very good. "
I'm confused. Any insights ?
Me
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-02 11:58
This is almost certainly a tarogatto as the seller claims. It expands too much from top to bottom to be a clarinet.
It is certainly possible to make a wooden saxophone. The characteristics that define a sax are the fact that it is a conical bore instrument driven by a single beating reed. By contrast, the characteristics that define a clarinet is that it is a cylindrical bore instrument driven by a single beating reed.
There was actually a saxophone made of plastic that was marketed for a while.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-02 16:37
Basically a Hungarian folk instrument that is very closely related to the saxophone.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-09-02 20:53
The fingering is same as simple system clarinet.
- ron b -
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-02 20:57
ron b wrote:
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> The fingering is same as simple system clarinet.
> - ron b
Except that it will jump by octaves rather than by twelfths for the first register change.
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-09-02 22:51
Dee wrote:
> Except that it will jump by octaves rather than by twelfths for the first register change
Because of the conical bore, correct, which is why saxophones overblow in twelfths? I'm learning.
I'm also curious on where this guy is getting all these neat items!!
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-02 23:29
David Pegel wrote:
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> Dee wrote:
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> > Except that it will jump by octaves rather than by twelfths
> for the first register change
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> Because of the conical bore, correct, which is why saxophones
> overblow in twelfths? I'm learning.
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> I'm also curious on where this guy is getting all these neat
> items!!
Saxophones (including things like the tarragato) jump in octaves. Clarinets jump in twelfths.
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Author: Laur
Date: 2001-09-03 01:43
What key is the tarragato in ?
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-03 02:09
I have no idea. Try emailing the seller and see if he/she knows.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-09-03 07:18
Dee -
You're correct. Conical bore - it would jump an octave in the first range. Same as an Octavin(sp?). I've heard an Octavin played. Sounded to me very much like a soprano sax. I suppost a Tarragato would sound similar too.
- ron b -
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Author: Eoin McAuley
Date: 2001-09-03 09:09
I've heard a tarogato (note no double letters in spelling) and it does indeed sound like a saxophone.
I think an Octavin has cylindrical bore, the same as a clarinet, so it is just a folded clarinet. The ones I've seen on eBay appear to use a simple-system or Albert system fingering.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-09-03 17:10
Eoin is correct, I looked in Baines [Mus Inst History] and he gives some info. Yes, a wood sax with Albert clar fingering, could be in any key, I guess, should be able to tell via length, would guess Bb, if longer, maybe in G or Eb?? Buy it!! Don
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-09-03 20:09
As long as we're playing a guessing game, I'll cast my vote that it's pitched to
G - simply because it's possibly a Hungarian folk instrument.
- ron b -
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-09-03 23:36
Oops, sorry. Meant to say octaves. It came out wrong.
All things considered, it might be in A!!
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Author: Gary Van Cott
Date: 2001-09-04 19:30
There was an article about Taragoto's in The Clarinet magazine not too long ago. It has a much more limited range than the soprano sax. There was a performance on one at ClarinetFest 2000. Very interesting.
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