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Author: Mark M
Date: 2001-08-25 06:38
The tech at the LMS downplayed the commercial bore oils as they contain petroleum distillates which, in the long run, actually dry out the wood. He recommends, and uses, olive oil mixed with almond oil (10-1) and a drop of vitamin E oil to keep everything from smelling etc. over time. Any thoughts?
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Author: Karel Vahala
Date: 2001-08-25 07:23
Not so long ago there was a discussion here on this topic. I believe the concencus of opinion was in favour of organic oils, particularly "sweet almond oil" easily found in health food stores, with a capsule of Vit A and/or E added as anti-oxidants to stop the oil from going rancid. Karel.
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2001-08-25 07:26
Yes, contact the Doctor of Doctor's Products here on Sneezy. His formula is all natural and the best on the market IMHO.
Also, do a search on the topic. You'll uncover lots of threads discussing the use of bore oils such as: whether to oil or not, when to oil, what kind of oils are best, etc.
Good Luck,
John
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2001-08-26 11:03
Dear Karel,
If there was a consensus I missed it. Sweet almond oil is indeed one of the plant based oils used in modern formulations of wood treatment and preservative products in conjunction with an antioxidant. Be careful not to use vitamin A alone, it actually promotes lipid and fatty acid (the building blocks of oils) breakdown. Vitamins A & E are great "animal" system antioxidants but are not the best for plant oil - the plant kingdom has derived it's own directory of powerful antioxidants for it's own oil - because of the powerful oxidation potential present in the photosynthesis reactions. Please, folks - often more harm than good can be achieved by using the wrong types of oils or the wrong formulations of various oils and other chemicals or antioxidants. The processing of plant based oils can dramatically alter the characteristics of the finished oil - ( ??? is there a difference between extra virgin olive oil and "light" olive oil -- you bet!!) The chemical formulation and strength of antioxidants used is important. When you mix various oils often you need and emulsifier (nature has designed these molecules very effectively too) to keep oils homogeneously mixed.
Thanks,
The Doctor
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Author: Karel Vahala
Date: 2001-08-26 11:21
Hi Doctor, my reading of the thread gave me the feeling that there was consensus on organic oils in general, and sweet almond oil in particular. Was I wrong?
Karel.
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2001-08-27 13:11
A few posts do not a concensus make. Those that posted seemed to be in favor of plant derived oils and many used sweet almond oil. Some add some ill defined amount of Vitamin E (the antioxidant properties of vitamin E are also dependent on the form -D,L, or DL - and the vehicle in which it is dissolved - sometimes mineral oil, sometimes soy bean oil, sometimes not defined). I would just add that "sweet almond oil" is not a defined product other than the origin. Just as with different preparations of olive oil - extra virgin, virgin, regular, light - the extraction process and origin of the raw material and it's characteristics (chemical and fatty acid makeup) determine a lot of the preservation properties of the oil - e.g. extra virgin olive oil from the North and South of Italy have different characteristics. This may be overly picky, but much of the commercially available "sweet almond oil" is expellier pressed and treated with steam and pressure, and sometimes solvents to recover the oil. Naturally (pressure only) pressed "sweet almond oil" contains ten fold the natural plant based antioxidant properties and interacts much differently (fatty acid side chain content) with wood than many commercial brands of sweet almond oil. There is very little standardization in this area.
The Doctor
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