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Author: Khefren Sackey
Date: 2016-04-05 21:35
I'm looking at this chedeville barrel but I can't seem to find any reviews on this thing. Does anybody have any information on this barrel? If so what positive/negative things do you have to say about it?
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2016-04-05 22:07
I own a Chedeville "Taper 2" barrel. 66mm. There is nothing really wrong with this barrel. It plays well, but - as opposed to a Chadash on a R13, or any of my Fobes barrels, it lacks a good sense of "ring" to the sound. Most inverse barrels give you a wee bit more singing quality.
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: Khefren Sackey
Date: 2016-04-05 23:18
What is this "ring" that you speak of? I have been clarinet for about 5 years, but I wouldn't say I've received the best instruction when it comes to these terms.
And also what I really should've asked is how this barrel correlates with a hard rubber clarinet as I use the Ridenour Lyrique Libertas.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2016-04-06 06:03
It has"ping" rather than ring.
Try David Thomas' blog. He uses one. Also a few reviews by buyers in WWBW retail site.
Disclaimer: I designed the bore of it to accommodate most Buffet type instrments. I do not sell them.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Khefren Sackey
Date: 2016-04-06 07:04
Dr. Segal-
I checked reviews, but I use a Ridenour Lyrique Libertas and not a buffet r-13, so I really wanted to know how it would correlate with my instrument.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2016-04-06 16:47
Order one from a retailer with a return policy. Return it if not optimal. Ask yourself what you want to achieve with a different barrel. Discuss it with a professional teacher who hears you play
Note:
I have no affiliation with the large online retailers.I do not market Chedeville merchandise.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2016-04-06 17:07
If you don't mind me asking, why are you trying to replace your barrel? The barrels that came with your Liberates should play much better than any aftermarket barrel you can buy. I've put the barrel of my Libertas on a variety of other clarinets and found an improvement in tone. Are you having tuning issues or do you just want a different sound?
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: AAAClarinet
Date: 2016-04-06 18:34
I agree with Jdbassplayer. I have put after market barrels and bells on my Libertas, but none tune as well or sound as good as the original equipment. IMHO.
AAAClarinet
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-04-06 18:58
I guess I can join the chorus here and say that I also tried a number of after market barrels on my Libertas, including grenadilla, delrin, other rubber models, cocobolo, and several exotic wood varieties, and nothing was nearly as good--in tuning, tone, and response--for that particular instrument as the rubber barrel Ridenour provides.
A friend also tried Moenning and Chadash barrels (which have a well-deserved reputation for improving Buffets) on his Libertas and went right back to the original Ridenour barrel. When it comes to the Libertas, it appears that the designer, Tom Ridenour, knows what is best. If something in your particular barrel seems amiss, I would call Ridenour directly and discuss the problem with him.
Post Edited (2016-04-06 19:11)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2016-04-06 22:52
Ridenour makes some aftermarket barrels. I would contact him and ask for his thoughts. What problems or issues are you trying to fix?
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2016-04-06 23:06
Barrel replacement is meant to solve a problem. I asked the OPer what he wanted to achieve. I also suggested professional guidance from an accomplished teacher. Then again, GAS is rampant....just look at golf stuff.
(gadget acquisition syndrome)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Khefren Sackey
Date: 2016-04-07 02:08
Well the problem for me is actually tuning. I find myself to be on the sharp side even though I am using the ridenour barrel (66mm). I thought that the rounder look on the chedeville barrel would provide a more in tune sound since it looks noticeably larger than the barrel I have here. There is also an issue with the ring on this barrel being loose so I also wanted a barrel with no ring as this isn't the first this has happened. I also am not sure if the climate has anything to do with this. I live in the US Virgin Islands where the temperature is 75-90 constantly.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2016-04-07 05:16
The bore has more to do with the intonation than the outer shape. Perhaps you should consider a different length first.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: TomS
Date: 2016-04-07 08:50
Barrels, just as with mouthpieces, have to be experienced and experimented with for a few days to see if any benefits are there. Foremost on my mind, when I try new gear is intonation ... and I practice with a Korg AT-12 in front of me. If the tuning is funky, no matter how the sound and response is, I discard the "upgrade".
I play a Lyrique Libertas and the stock barrel plays very well, but I ordered a Ridenour Ivorolon "C" bore in a 66 mm to see if it would improve the playing characteristics and lower the pitch of a Vandoren 5RV-lyre (non 13 tuning, non 88 beak). It does. Lowers the pitch, improves overall intonation and brings a more compactness to the blowing resistance. The sound seems a bit warmer, as well. Really transforms the 5RV-lyre into something much better. And the Ridenour barrels are less expensive than most others ...
On my R13, I found the Scott AA3 barrel and Vandoren M13 worked wonderfully. I liked the Chadash a lot as well ... really did some nice things for the upper clarion register.
I think Dr. Segal is on the right track. Hard rubber is a wonderful material for barrels. Some wooden barrels have hard rubber inserts, just to improve the stability and life. An well researched and replicated vintage hard rubber may be just "what the doctor ordered".
I'd still like to see the barrels on clarinets discarded and the extra length incorporated into the MP, leaving one less joint on the instrument. Just seems to make sense to me ... some pro trumpets have the MP as part of the instrument design, and not removable.
Again, just give a new barrel a try ... experimentation is the only way to see for sure.
Tom
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-04-07 09:08
Now that's one I didn't try on my Libertas, and it's one of Ridenour's own.
The Ivorolon comes in 64 mm., 65 mm., 66 mm., and 67 mm. Could the 67mm. correct the sharp pitch problem? Sounds worth a try.
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