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Author: locke9342
Date: 2015-03-10 09:39
Why aren't one piece clarinets more abundant? I've read about several benefits to only having 1 piece, but the only ones available are really expensive and foreign. I understand it may be because of size but people use soprano saxophones well enough. Size may also be an issue as working with a piece of wood that big could be a problem, so why not hard rubber?
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-03-10 09:46
The one good pic is reversed, obviously, blame it on the Mac "Photo Booth'...don't know why it does this though. The other two pix are pages of code...don't know why THIS happened either.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-03-10 12:28
The main reason is probably that advantages of two piece clarinets outweigh the advantages of one piece clarinets for almost everyone, so there's just not much of a market for one piece clarinets.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-03-10 12:43
''...advantages of two piece clarinets outweigh the advantages of one piece clarinets for almost everyone...''
When I played Boehm system (and the Noblet pictured), many years ago, I always felt that setting up to play was a breeze, compared to fitting a bell, the middle, and the barrel and the reverse of course, when packing up.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-10 16:45
The real reason, I believe, for two piece clarinets, has its roots in cost savings and custom.
It's easier (read: cheaper) to find a piece of wood with no significant blemishes or imperfections on it when fabricating only the length of one hand's joint, rather than the longer length of upper and lower joints.
For argument sake, I am surmising that for people like the Ridenours, who make clarinets out of hard rubber, making a seamless upper and lower joint instrument might not raise costs (as much compared to a wood instrument.)
Repair techs like the board's Chris P. have also commented on the ability to better detect and repair instrument problems when each section can be isolated. But non-wood clarinets may continue to be made in 2 sections because it's what people are use to, or perhaps not call attention to why the clarinet was (able to be) made in one piece without significant cost increase (the, IMHO, perception that non-wood clarinets are necessarily inferior.)
I also think it can make for rectangular cases that are closer to being square, in other words cases with smaller wingspans (longest diagonal measurement).
Rossi wood clarinets are 1 piece, but clearly at the high end of cost.
Personally, I'd be curious to know the marginal cost for each additional, say, inch or centimeter of high end wood length. Would, for example, an 8" piece cost $30 to purchase, but a 16" piece, say, $80? While my numbers may be way off, the point is the additional cost of length, rather than, as in many other types of purchases, the economies of scale in buying larger quantities allowing for cheaper cost per unit of measure.
Post Edited (2015-03-10 23:41)
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Author: Wes
Date: 2015-03-11 02:53
As I have a pair of fine old Buffet full Boehm one piece clarinets, I played them for many years. Eventually, I got tired of the long bulky cases needed which were in the way at rehearsals and concerts. Now, I use a great R13 Prestige.
Someday, I'll have to sell that pair of one piece clarinets but I expect that the selling price will be kind of low because they are uncommon.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-03-11 03:10
Thanks Ben ''Edit: These *should* work:''
As indeed they do...you must be quite computer saavy...or be young!
The Mac always reverses photos too Ben, I wonder if you know why?
Rgs,
JK
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-03-11 09:38
''That's because you live in the southern hemisphere. ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif) ''
Yessss...that's logical...what i'll do is invert the Mac...that should fix it. If though, the problem persists, what would you suggest?
Silly me Ben..I'm assuming you're a Mac user too. Mac users tend to do that, you know!
Chrs,
JK
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2015-03-11 23:40
I am sure there is a checkbox somewhere that says "this is a selfie". When checked, it will flip the picture horizontally so that you recognize the face grinning at you.
(no, I have no idea. I use Macs in the office, tho')
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Ben
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Author: Wes
Date: 2015-03-14 03:19
AAAClarinet, I'll try to attach a photo but I'm not used to attaching them on this board.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2015-03-14 03:27
AAAClarinet, I'll try to attach a photo but I'm not used to attaching them on this board.
It didn't work as it is too large. I'm not sure how to reduce the size now.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2015-03-14 14:53
I love my one-piece Buffet in A from 1931. (It's one-piece in the sense that the upper and lower stacks are all on one section. It does have detachable barrel and bell.) That clarinet is better in tune with itself than any other I've played. The biggest intonation advantage to a one-piece body is the location of the hole for throat (chalumeau) C#-Db / clarion G#-Ab. It's drilled through what would be the tenon joint of a two-piece body.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: Alex K.
Date: 2015-03-16 01:10
It woud limit the customization for the clarinet. I do not believe we can make a perfect one-piece clarinet.
Also isnt that why squidward is horrible?
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Author: Alex K.
Date: 2015-03-16 01:12
It woud limit the customization for the clarinet. I do not believe we can make a perfect one-piece clarinet.
Also isnt that why squidward is horrible?
also without the proper practice and the poor clarinets in the water all the time.
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2015-03-16 20:06
Another disadvantage is that you can't pull at the middle tenon to bring down pitch more evenly.
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2015-03-17 09:50
Per Luis Rossi on the tuning subject, if the one-piece clarinet is designed correctly, you don't have to pull out in the middle. (That's true of all of my several Rossi instruments.)
Also, while I have Rossi in mind, I see over and over again statements that Rossi clarinets are high-priced compared to mass-produced instruments.
In fact, Rossi clarinet prices are a lot lower than the lowest prices I've seen for the Buffet Tosca Bb, A, and Eb clarinets, which are more than $1,100 more than the Rossi models.
B.
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2015-03-17 12:27
bmcgar wrote:
> Per Luis Rossi on the tuning subject, if the one-piece clarinet
> is designed correctly, you don't have to pull out in the
> middle. (That's true of all of my several Rossi instruments.)
>
You're right. Most instruments don't need to pull out in the middle.
But I have some that do benefit. May be because they were designed to play at higher pitch, e.g. 442 - 444Hz.
> Also, while I have Rossi in mind, I see over and over again
> statements that Rossi clarinets are high-priced compared to
> mass-produced instruments.
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> In fact, Rossi clarinet prices are a lot lower than the lowest
> prices I've seen for the Buffet Tosca Bb, A, and Eb clarinets,
> which are more than $1,100 more than the Rossi models.
And what about the Buffet Devine! Soooo expensive!
I hope that this extreme pricing of Buffet helps the custom clarinet makers like Rossi to improve there market position.
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