 The Clarinet BBoard
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-04-27 19:31
I know nothing, except to say that if there's even a new product involved here, that history suggests than reed products may improve over time, but that "revolution" (as in a major paradigm shift) is unlikely.
Balance this (as opposed to your reed) with the fact that you've just given up your personal information, website claims to use it responsibly notwithstanding.
I'd like to hear from others who know more.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-04-27 19:40
Although entirely public domain information, rather than place it here, I'll provide a link to where you can look up reedrevolution.com yourself, and get basic contact information.
http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx
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Author: William
Date: 2014-04-27 19:47
I play Forestone reeds and they were not listed as my choice reed. Couldn't participate..........
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Author: Funfly
Date: 2014-04-27 19:52
It's called prospecting, i.e. collecting details of people interested in clarinets.
I think that the problem any reed manufacture has is that clarinettists (and saxophonists) seem to have a love of the 'magic', each has his/her own formula for getting the 'right' reed and many spend hours with cutters and water (not to mention hydrogen peroxide!) attempting to achieve or better their reeds.
Take this alchemy, this magic, away from wind musicians and what will they do?
Surely, one of the major problems that Legere has is that it offers clarinettists a reed that they don't have to work on, a concept alien to traditional clarinettists.
So offering a 'better' reed is probably the best way of enticing a clarinettist to divulge his/her name - Let's face it, they have even got a reference on this bulletin board now.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-04-27 20:09
Quick story: I use to work for a magazine clearinghouse. We worked off electronic lists of names, most of those cultivated by the company over time, some rented from list brokers.
Invariably, to protect not only our lists, but those owned by the vendors whose lists we'd borrow for a contractually stated number of times and uses, "seed names" (unique names, often fictitous variations of real ones) were always secretly placed into lists to insure that theft or contractual misuse of lists was dealt with. General rules allowed you to claim on your own lists any person from someone else's lists that bought from you.
You would be amazed at the mail that would start flowing in to the seed names, following how, for example, if you ordered (I'm making this up but its an accurate portrayal) "Field & Stream" magazine you might also get mail from Hunting, Fishing and Nature based firms thereafter.
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Author: swook
Date: 2014-04-27 20:11
Funfly: What you say makes sense. So you're saying there likely isn't a new reed or that isn't their main intended product? What would you guess it really is?
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Author: Funfly
Date: 2014-04-27 20:27
I am only commenting that in my opinion nothing on the internet is totally what it seems, and I trust no-one.
The value of lists of email addresses linked to specific interests is immense and there are many ways of obtaining them.
Remember that even every word of Twitter is checked. Even as long ago as 2001 the shop Woolworths (now finished) were getting marketing information from twitter references, accept that things have moved on since then.
All those silly kids twittering away are providing tons of marketing information, realise that twitter doesn't charge for each tweet but make immense profits from the information they sell.
Facebook, the same and every one of your emails can be scrutinised.
In the mid 1900s I was the owner of a (small) internet search engine. The amount of information we could trawl and spider in those days was surprising.
See what ThatPerfectReed said about when they inserted a fake email address and saw just how much stuff came back to it. I bet that was a few years ago and we have to accept that it aint got better.
Thet picture of your bum that you sent privately to your girlfriend (didn't you?) is still out there even if you deleted your mail or posting simply because there are repeater systems out there that contain copies of the internet.
Just accept that any single thing you send into the internet is instantly public property whether you think so or not and you will be fine.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2014-04-27 20:45
Funfly wrote:
> I am only commenting that in my opinion nothing on the internet
> is totally what it seems, and I trust no-one.
...
Case in point:
> Remember that even every word of Twitter is checked. Even as
> long ago as 2001 the shop Woolworths (now finished) were
> getting marketing information from twitter references
Twitter started in 2006 ...
Woolworths out of business 1997 - unless you're in the UK, where it went out of business in 2001. Even the truth has shades.
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Author: Funfly
Date: 2014-04-27 20:59
OOps….
<Twitter started in 2006 …>
To be honest I don't know exactly what year it was so that was a guess (sorry).
At my age everything before 6 months ago is considered to be around 2000!
All I do know is that it was revealed just after Woolworths went bankrupt so if you remember what year that was you will get the date.
Martyn Thatcher Mature Student Cheshire U.K.
Clarinet - Yamaha SE Custom
Alto Sax - Yamaha YAS 480
Guitar - Yamaha FG 375-S
Post Edited (2014-04-27 21:04)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-04-27 21:04
When I sign up for a mailing list, on the 2nd address line, I write what company the sign up is.
So if I get a mailer from xxx clarinet product, and the 2nd line has yyy as the name, I know that is where they got my name from.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: Funfly
Date: 2014-04-27 21:09
David, that seems a good idea.
Many years ago (was it 2001?) I was organising a trip to Dortmund and on the webpage with the details - and only on that page- I used the email address dortmund@xxx.co.uk.
For many years after that I still received spam emails to that email address.
just goes to show!
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-04-28 04:02
I have a friend who for decades has changed his middle initial or altered his name in other ways, when he signs up for anything. And it's always been amazing who then sends him stuff with the same alteration. Of course, he has to remember or keep records, while David's idea is self documenting.
The idea of fake mailing list entries reminds me of the fake towns, creeks, parks, and such that used to be (still are?) put on maps from oil companies. Same idea- trap anyone who copies your material. But I always wondered about folks who thought, "Great, there's a town in 5 miles, surely we can get gas there before we run out."
I yearn for a Reed Revolution also, I just have been through too much.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: Funfly
Date: 2014-04-28 14:42
There are certainly fake towns on the in-car sat nav maps of the UK, presumably to trap copiers.
Martyn Thatcher Mature Student Cheshire U.K.
Clarinet - Yamaha SE Custom
Alto Sax - Yamaha YAS 480
Guitar - Yamaha FG 375-S
Post Edited (2014-04-28 17:07)
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Author: onbelay06
Date: 2014-05-18 04:19
I also saw this ad, and gave them my information. Today I received a package containing two sets of three reeds (6 total), 3 of which were traditional blanks and the other thick blanks. Haven't tried them yet, but I hope they're good.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-05-18 08:48
Ah but Megan, you have never posted here before. How do we know you're not just part of the scam?  or that your name is even Megan?
Mr. Paranoid
Post Edited (2014-05-18 08:49)
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Author: FrankC15
Date: 2014-05-20 16:38
I received my 6 reeds last night as well. They are the new d'addario rework of the rico reserve and reserve classic. According to the insert that came with the reeds, they are produced using a new production process that supposedly has more control over producing consistent reeds. Will be trying these this weekend and comparing with reserve classic that I currently am using.
Frank C.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-20 18:03
The new designs are to me a lot better, especially the Reserve Classic.
Impressed, and not because I am an Artist for them. If I didn't like em, I would raise all kinds of cane.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
Post Edited (2014-05-20 18:03)
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-05-20 18:37
I filled it out... I trust you guys.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-05-21 00:45
David:
I like Rico Reserve reeds a lot, so something that was universally recognized as an improvement to an already great product would be great. They are a main, but not the only reed product in my case.
To point: I have nothing against D'Addario/Rico, nor work for competitors.
Still more, your pun reference to "raising cane" (i.e. Cain) doesn't offend me in the least. (You have not touched on some, say, religious nerve for me.)
My issue is that if the reed stunk you wouldn't be raising Cain (i.e. making a fuss): not at least with the bboard populous that you sing its praises to (we've already discussed this. You'd likely refer them to another Rico product.) You're neither, do I suspect, a liar nor independent....despite the apperance of the (aka Rico Reeds) in your post script, next to D'Addario that you put in since the last time I raised this issue with you, that has seemed to vanish since.
To point: fair enough: you woudn't say it was great if it wasn't, but you'd also fail to say it stunk if it did. Your words imply you'd give us the straight talk on Rico Products either way. Your own prior thoughts on this suggest it's just not the case.
Consistent with the bboard, I'd really rather talk about a product's pros and cons than a person's. So be absolutely balanced on your opinions, or expressly say where you're not, or at least, don't imply/say your balanced when your not, so focus can remain on products.
Rebut if you wish, but answer this question first. If a D'Adarrio Rico product stunk, would you come here and expressly say so?
Maybe the sentence should read: "If I didn't like em, I would 'raise all kinds of Cain' privately with Rico to make improvements, but never come out and say otherwise to the same people I'd praise the product to if it were good."
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-21 05:45
If a Rico product stunk Russ, I wouldn't post about it. I wouldn't sing it's praise, nor condemn it - I'm not stupid.
I included the Rico next to D'Addario for a bit, as it let members know that Rico was changing to D'Addario for it's professional product line.
So, to sum it up, if I didn't like a product put out by a line of products that I am an Artist for, I wouldn't bust on it, but I certainly wouldn't post anything positive about it either here.
But yeah, I would raise all kinds of hell in the background to the Manufacturer. And believe you me, I have done that before. Enough to get a major product changed the next month back in the mid 90's. I'm not Mark Nuccio, but do have their ear.
I speak my mind freely, and am beholden to no one (except my wife).
I used to prefer the regular reserve over the classic, and now that has switched. So you can try them, or not, buy 100 boxes, or never even give it a second though, it's all good to me.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-21 06:41
Btw - I don't know anything about the Reed Revolution site, if it is the D'Addario product or not. If it is, then I would roll my eyes at it just like everyone else. I was told that there were many thousands of samples sent out.
So.....
When the Vandoren V-12's came out, it was a revolution in the reed industry. When the Rico Grand Concert Reed came out, to me it was another revolution in my reed world. When the Rue 56's came out, again a lot of players got excited about it. Not sure if that is still played by many, but it was a major product line released.
When the Reserve Reeds entered the picture, I tried them, helped in the testing, quality suggestions, etc, and what I got I was really happy with.
These new reeds with still the same name, are QUITE different than what is currently on the market from the Reserve line, in a really good way to me.
That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Will it take over as the reed that everyone plays? Highly unlikely, just like no other company has made a significant dent in the Buffet market, yet puts out amazing instruments nonetheless.
But to players who aren't happy with what they are playing, and haven't found a decent substitute, it might sway their way.
There are Band Directors, players, teachers who absolutely will not try Rico Clarinet Reed due to the "orange box syndrome".
I was one of them - had to literally get begged to try one, just one reed, and that one reed peaked my interest. Hour later, I was a very satisfied player.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-05-21 06:55
David: you've confirmed what I've said, contradicted yourself, and indicated your own bias.
Speaking your mind freely, to my mind means at least, that if you're going to be fair, that to the same venue of people who you'd praise a product to if it were good, you'd also put down that very same product were it bad.
You will not do that. And what reason could there be for that but the fact that you are an artist for Rico, AND beholden to them, unlike what you've said, which suggests that you only answer to the "Mrs."
And you know what, that's all fine. There are artists out there who endorse products they don't even use, or particularly believe in, or consider the best, or even second to none. I consider you of higher regard than that. I have every reason to suspect you use the Rico products you endorse, if for no other reason that I too think they're good.
But when you took the Rico part out of your postscript, AND strongly implied that you'd be as vocal about your positives with the same people (bboard members) that you'd be negative with, with this statement:
"Impressed, and not because I am an Artist for them. If I didn't like em, I would raise all kinds of cane."
that I feel you crossed a line. When you failed to state up front that these expressions would be in different venues, in the absence of such language, reasonable people assume your expression of thumbs up or down would occur in the same place, in the same way.
Like we've BOTH said now, you'll extol virtues here, but "raise all kinds of Cain" privately if the product were bad.
"Praise publically criticize privately" is the hallmark of a good business manager (particularly of managers themself) I think. Not someone who writes the above sentence I've displayed in bold. On its best day it omits material fact. On its worst it's partiality you're trying to masquerade as impartiality.
You represent a great product. That alone should be enough.
I've searched myself for biases of my own here. I can't find any other than a desire for complete disclosure in those who offer product opinions, of bias which is unlikely to be assumed or known by readers, as a result of absent or misleading language.
Post Edited (2014-05-21 06:59)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-21 07:46
You're too much, and way out of line.
Is what it is.
Russ, you're wasting your time arguing with me, as I just don't care to - not worth my time, nor energy. I post my opinion, and it is what it is. If I don't bust on a Company, it could be that either I respect that they can make adjustments, or have the class to address it to them, and not publically on an internet forum.
The Reeds coming out of the plant now are really great. 14,000 sample packs sent out. So try it or not, I don't get compensated either way. I do get the vast riches, and legendary fame from being an Artist for them, just like the other Artists, and don't plan to change that status anytime soon. In fact, maybe I'll send them my Mortgage statement and just their stamp might make it paid in full........;)
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
Post Edited (2014-05-21 18:47)
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2014-05-22 02:13
Never ever give your birthdate.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-05-22 02:18
Or, if required - make up a date and year
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2014-05-22 14:39
Junk deleted from this thread and closed. There's always someone taking offense at something ...
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