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 Examples of different sounds
Author: Dharma 
Date:   2011-11-21 22:09

Ok, confession time: I love the sound of clarinet, but I'm afraid that to me, a clarinet sounds like a clarinet.

The sound of Benny Goodman seems to me to be identical to the sound of the clarinet in Mozarts Concerto.

I know it isn't, and I know it's bordering on sacrilegious. I also believe the idea of different national and personal sounds. I can identify at least half a dozen solo 'classical' guitarists on hearing just a few notes, so I'm not pooh-poohing the idea.

But at the moment, my ear is not tuned to clarinet with that degree of finesse.

Can someone suggest some (currently available) recordings that would serve as good examples of typical German, French, American 'sounds'? Plus any other major flavours that there may be?

TIA

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A horse is drawn to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: MarlboroughMan 
Date:   2011-11-21 22:41

Gladly!

Here's a starter's kit:


The classic German sound--Karl Leister playing Brahms (Wurlitzer german System Clarinet):

http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Clarinet-Sonatas-Trio-Leister/dp/B00000J7VL

Another take on the German sound---Sabine Meyer playing von Weber (Wurlitzer German System Clarinet):

http://www.amazon.com/Weber-Clarinet-Concertos-Sabine-Meyer/dp/B000083LQX

The Great Dutchman--George Pieterson playing Messiaen (Wurlitzer Reform-Boehm):

http://www.amazon.com/Messiaen-Quatuor-Pour-Temps-Quartet/dp/B00000E3WQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918059&sr=1-1


The American Richard Stoltzman playing Copland (Buffet, customized by Kal Opperman)

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Clarinet-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003FC2/ref=sr_1_7?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918188&sr=1-7

The French Paul Meyer playing a great selection of French repertoire (I believe on Buffet):

http://www.amazon.com/French-Clarinet-Art-Paul-Meyer/dp/B0000034YI/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918251&sr=1-1

The American Jazz clarinetist Artie Shaw performing his own 'concerto' (really a big band showpiece) on a Selmer:

http://www.amazon.com/Very-Best-Artie-Shaw/dp/B000056CAM/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918492&sr=1-1

The American Jazz Clarinetist Edmond Hall performing on a Hammerschmidt German system clarinet (I think):

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Broadcasts-Form-Hangover-Francisco/dp/B004O0UN0E/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918575&sr=1-1

The American Jazz clarinetist Benny Goodman playing on a Selmer K series:

http://www.amazon.com/Trio-Quartet-Showcase-Benny-Goodman/dp/B000MTOKV4/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1321918626&sr=1-1


There are probably a hundred other worthy recordings, but these are some of my favorites. I look forward to reading through others'. The more you listen and play, the more attuned your ear will become to the differences. Enjoy.



Eric

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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2011-11-21 22:57

I can't point to specific web addresses but I like Guy Dangin for French and David Shifrin for American.




.....................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: salzo 
Date:   2011-11-22 12:22

THe days of a "national" or regional sound are over.
Today, everyone sounds the same-like whitebread.

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: weberfan 
Date:   2011-11-22 13:28

Dharma wrote: "Ok, confession time: I love the sound of clarinet, but I'm afraid that to me, a clarinet sounds like a clarinet."

I'm inclined to think that you are really talking about interpretation, as well individual technique...nationality notwithstanding.

Harold Wright is not Charlie Neidich is not David Shifrin is not Sabine Meyer is not Antony Pay is not Benny Goodman. But the clarinet is the clarinet, just as the cello is the cello or the trumpet is the trumpet.

The beauty of an instrument is that a supreme practitioner can make it sing in ways that others do not.



Post Edited (2011-11-22 14:13)

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2011-11-22 17:32

Dharma,

Why don't you look a little closer to home?

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: Dharma 
Date:   2011-11-22 18:46

Eric, many thanks, I'll be indulging in a few of those!

Paul: thanks I'll look them up.

Salzo: I'm sure that's the way everything is going, yes, but I'm also sure there are some good examples of the old 'national' sounds.

Weberfan: to a large extent , yes. However, it's my understanding that with clarinet, there are, or we're, fairly distinct 'national' sounds, partly due to the slight differences in the instrument across different nations, and partly due to different schools of artistry.

cigleris: do you mean as in look for examples of a British sound? I read somewhere that there wasn't really a distinct British sound, but I hope to be corrected:)

Someone I've listened to recently who *does* sound very distinctive to me is Arun Ghosh. And to be fair, he is British!

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A horse is drawn to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: Trevor M 
Date:   2011-11-22 19:04

Great job on that list, Eric. I'd also suggest:

Robert Marcellus, beautifully characteristic of the Nebraskan clarinet sound:

http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Concertante-Orchestra-Cleveland-Performances/dp/B00000DRZ4/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1321991977&sr=8-9

and Reginald Kell, who pioneered the famous Yorkshire style:

http://www.amazon.com/Reginald-Kell-Complete-American-Recordings/dp/B0009ONYPA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321992052&sr=8-1

(It's surprisingly difficult to find recordings of contemporary symphony clarinetists here in the States- I wanted to hear what Carey Bell sounds like, but it looks like the only non-symphonic recording is him playing bass clarinet in the context of electronic music.)

Trevor

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2011-11-22 19:13

Hmm, where's Emma in that lineup? Of many who inspired me, Emma Johnson and Fides Auf der Maur were the main culprits - apart from my teacher, of course.

But I'm a freak, as my daughter would happily attest. :-)

--
Ben

Post Edited (2011-11-22 20:17)

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: cigleris 
Date:   2011-11-22 19:48

Dharma,

The British sound does exsist. Players such as Richard Hosford, Bob Hill, Bob Plane, Michael Collins, Tony Lamb, Andrew Marriner, me, Emma Johnson, Janet Hilton. There are many others. As you'll hear each player has an individual voice which is far more important than trying to sound like one person over another.

Peter Cigleris

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 Re: Examples of different sounds
Author: Dharma 
Date:   2011-11-23 17:43

Cool being British, I'm glad there is a 'sound'.

I'm not concerned with copying anyone. I wouldn't even be capable of trying at the moment! The reason I ask is that I want to hear different clarinet sounds and styles to help better train my ear.

25 years ago, a guitar sounded like a guitar to me, but for the last 22 years, I've been able to hear the difference in tones, styles and approach to the music. I'd like to get to that point with clarinet now it's my instrument of choice!

Many thanks for the Brit list. I'll see if I can add a couple to my collection.

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A horse is drawn to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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