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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-05-26 14:15
In the 3rd movement right on bar 173 (Kalmus edition), the time signature changes from 3/2 to cut common right through to the end of that movement, yet there are 8 crotchets to the bar - final bar is a breve.
Is it meant to be 4/2 (as it's 3/2 beforehand) or 8/4?
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Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2011-05-26 14:57)
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2011-05-26 17:37
I was on Oboe when our local orchestra , Novocastrian Arts Orchestra played this and on my photocopy pages I drew an extra bar line throughout all the alla breve section at the end and played it as 4/4. The breve at the end became a paused (femata) note.
Our conductor was beating in common time and it made no difference to me if he was doing it in 4 or 8.
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Post Edited (2011-05-26 18:03)
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Author: Barry Vincent
Date: 2011-05-27 01:33
Yes, Cigleris is correct , that is the pulse of this movement.
Now that I come to think of it , that is what our conductor was beating, four minum beats to a measure.
We performed this some years ago now.
However , for the sake of easy sight reading , I resorted to my approach as mentioned above. I don't recall having any problems with the pulse so I would have been just 'going with the flow' as it were.
In the PK line in this movement there are four dotted minums to a measure but the stems are barred. I assume that this is an abbreviation of four sets of crotchet triplets. ?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2011-05-27 17:47
Thanks. Here's hoping they take this section of the Brahms in 'big 4s'.
I did Mozart's Requiem with the same group earlier on in the year and at one point when the rehearsal came to an untidy halt just after starting one of the movements I said (and was meant tactfully) 'Shouldn't it be in 8?' as it was far too fast taken in 4 - the conductor started it again in 4 and again it went to pieces. Then after another pause and muttering it was agreed that it was to be taken in 8 as it should've been to begin with.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: davyd
Date: 2011-05-27 18:08
Chris's story reminds me of my one performance (to date) of the Mozart Requiem, led by the the chorus master. Her "8" pattern consisted of 2 distinct sets of 4 -- reasonable enough once you got used to it, but a challenge for colleagues who hadn't been to enough of the rehearsals.
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