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Author: waikatoboy
Date: 2003-08-12 11:35
similar to a saxophone setup ,looks like an old albert system, have any of you good folk seen or heard of one of these.
Thanks guys .
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2003-08-12 11:44
They are a reputable maker of Saxophones. I played on a Keilerth alto in the 1960's that was marketed under the name H. Couf. It was for me a very good instrument then. The workmanship was excellent, and it played very well in tune. I have heard criticisms about robustness of their mechanisms, but never experienced this type of problem. I have not heard of their clarinets. Past experience with other instrument makers would tend to make me want to judge their clarinets separately from their other instruments.
Closed hole clarinets leave something to be desired. In terms of personal development, every instrument has its startup costs, and clarinet is no different. A closed hole instrument will make some notes more in-tune early on. Later on though, this will not motivate you to correct finger position issues.
More importantly, if closed hole instruments were really acoustically superior, everyone would be playing on them.
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Author: waikatoboy
Date: 2003-08-12 11:47
Thanks very much for the info I will leave it alone the person selling said it is a very rear jazz horn.
Thanks again
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Author: donald
Date: 2003-08-12 20:29
i believe that Keilworth Clarinets (esp the older ones) are tuned at A=443 which will cause problems for you playing with a group/piano etc.
a good idea to leave it i'd say unless you can buy it for (nz$)200 or less (which is what it is worth despite whatever the seller might say). "Rear" (sic) doesn't mean valuable.
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2003-08-12 21:05
Are you certain it was made by Julius Keilwerth? Julius is a saxophone maker, while Clarinets are built by Richard Keilwerth, a totally different company.
Richard Keilwerth is a builder of excellent German-system Clarinets (MOO, and I have one). Richard also builds Boehm instruments (I have one of those, too).
Plateaux Clarinets are great for those who have physical difficulties that may prevent firm closure of finger holes, but they have drawbacks which keep them from being appropriate for casual use. The mechanism is much more complicated, therefore less reliable (24 pads instead of 17, for example). Plus, playing some Jazz with the Clarinet becomes more difficult, because it's hard to slide from one note to the next The tone hole is either open, or it's closed. There is no part way.
There was a Richard Keilwerth German system plateaux Clarinet on eBay about a year ago. It sold for quite a large amount of money. This is not uncommon, because some players require that style, and others seem to think they're way cool. They really aren't.
Regards,
John
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Author: tinminer
Date: 2003-08-13 13:07
Although not Keilwerth, I recently acquired an older Pruefer clarinet, where the top joint is open hole, bottom joint plateau. It's not a mis-match, so I can only guess it was maybe for a player with problems in the right hand (maybe arthritis or similar).
There could be a place for this type of clarinet in that situation, and also for children - whose fingers can stretch to the keys but not quite fill the holes (as is the situation for me on a part-plateau alto clarinet I have).
Most full plateau models I've come across were used by sax players who didn't start on clarinet, and found it was easier to quickly 'double' on plateau clarinets than open-hole.
Maybe because I started on clarinet, I've never found it a problem.
Regards, Alan
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2003-08-13 13:37
I have an oldie, in fair shape, have worked on it from time to time, have never felt it played as well-easily as a regular 17/6. Comments?, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: tinminer
Date: 2003-08-13 17:36
Plateau clarinets can seem a little muffled at times, maybe I'm used to the sound coming at me thro' the open tone-holes, rather than dissipated aound the pad - a lot of studios do 'mike' around the hand positions, rather than at the bell, so plateau must affect the tone if only marginally.
Along the same lines though, I play closed-hole flute - but then an awful lot of sound comes off the flute lip-plate, so maybe it's not a good comparison.
Regards, Alan.
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Author: John85
Date: 2009-07-31 23:41
JMcAulay:
Perhaps off subject, but I have a question for you. Can you tell me about your R. Keilwerth German-system clarinet? Will it reach A=440? I live in the USA, and I can manage to get to A=440 well enough with my Yamaha German-system, though I perhaps need a longer barrel. I was considering Keilwerth but can't get any tuning info. Also, does your model happen to be the Nr. 7 wide-bore model? Many thanks.
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Author: Lam
Date: 2009-08-01 15:54
Hi john,
I have a R.Keilwerth 7.c konzert(small bore), it is tune to A=444. it is difficult to get it to A=440, perhaps you need to spend a sum of money getting custom made longer barrel, but the overall intonation will be affected. So I don't suggest you to buy a R.Keilwerth if you are going to play at A=440.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-08-01 16:02
I've got a R.Keilwerth Oehler and it too is tuned to 444Hz.
My Yamaha 657 will play down to 440Hz easily with a 58-59mm barrel, so I assume the 400 and 800 series will if using a longer barrel or tuning rings.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: interd0g
Date: 2009-08-01 16:10
I was offered one of these when a young upcoming jazz man in London England.
They said it had belonged to a well known UK dance/dixieland player called Sid Phillips. I guessed it would be great for fast execution.
Luckily I didn't buy it as I would then have been hooked for life on an odd system.
They always unloaded oddballs on me, starting with a 'simple system' instrument and later a a 7 ring buffet.
I love the 7 rings and can't live without them but its VERY hard to get back onto a regular 6 ring insrument, and as far as I can see they don't do the 7 rings anymore.
The seven ringer is fantastic for arpeggios in flat keys.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-08-01 18:03
The only companies that make Boehm system clarinets with forked Eb/Bb mechanisms are Amati, several Italian and German makers.
None of the big names (Buffet, Leblanc, Selmer and Yamaha) do, and the only extra piece of keywork you're likely to find is the LH Ab/Eb lever which is usually an option on most.
And having got used to using the forked Eb/Bb myself, I ended up fitting it to my plastic Yamaha http://www.clarinetperfection.com/galleryclar/Keywork/CP2/10.jpg
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Malcolm Martland
Date: 2009-08-03 15:19
There have been several German system Richard Keilwerth plateau key clarinets up for sale on the "not to be mentioned" auction site recently - some reasonably priced but some expensive. I was tempted but resisted. A few months ago however I did buy an F. Moser of Dusseldorf German system plateau key clarinet and had it repadded. Apart from it being slightly sharp overall (A=443-444) with its very short 59 mm barrel I had hoped it would be very similar to sax fingerings for the main registers but the low register F4 ( t oxo¦ooo ) is sadly not at all in tune. The fingering charts here on the woodwind.org sites do suggest that this fingering is sharp on German system models other than Austrian makes http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/clarinet/ocl_bas_1.html
apart from that it is quite fun to play and not nearly as different or as difficult as I had expected compared to the Boehm system.
Anyone heard of F. Moser as a clarinet maker? I wondered if it was just a Music Shop badged clarinet.
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