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Author: Bill
Date: 2000-11-21 15:34
I'm interested in opinions about the mouthpiece that comes with a new R-13. Is is worth working with, or is it something that should definitely should be replaced?
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Author: Fred
Date: 2000-11-21 16:57
If it's the Buffet mp, I suggest using it for a duck call. Together with Rico reeds, it makes a good set-up for those cold winter days out in the marshes.
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Author: Andy
Date: 2000-11-21 22:07
I'm with Fred all the way. I never played a Buffet mouthpiece that I would use. I would prefer to turn down a gig then play on them!
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Author: Daniel
Date: 2000-11-21 22:21
The only Buffet mouthpieces that are worth using (if you can get a good refacejob done to them) are the old hard rubber ones from the 60's and before. They were essentially the same kind of blanks the Kaspar used and sometimes Chedeville blanks as well at one point i think.
They still need work though beause the window was always too small and table not always flat. The ones i've had tend to play very sharp.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-11-22 13:18
Daniel said regarding older Buffet mouthpieces:
"They were essentially the same kind of blanks the Kaspar used and sometimes Chedeville blanks as well at one point i think."
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After much study, measurement, comparison & consultation with some of the world's (renowned) experts on mouthpieces, I can say this about older (1950's to 1960's) Buffet mouthpieces.
IF the mouthpiece has 1 & 3 lines (top & bottom ligatures scores), says France to the left of the Table, a Letter to the right of the Table, & is made of hard rubber composition, then you are, more than likely, looking at a mouthpiece made from a Chedeville blank.
Buffet Crampon a Cie of Paris, France was Chedeville's BIGGEST customer and kept Lelandais in business after Lerlandais bought out Charles Chedeville Co.'s interest in 1945 (Lelandais & Chedeville were partners in the famouus farmhouse operation in France).
It is easy to determine if a mouthpiece is hard rubber or plastic, hwoever I think I will start another thread on that subject.
IMO, the OLDER Buffer mouthpieces cane be excellent mouthpiecesl as they are Chedeville Blanks that, in many cases, had (very) minimal (medium) facings performed. They are excellent candidates for a refacing by today's experts. Many Symphony players around the world scout out & hoard these mouthpieces. While a Charles Chedeville (name, signature like on a baseball glove) is manufactured by Glotin in France and imported by Fred Weiner, imo, " ... it ain't no Ched !". Put simply, they just don't make real Chedevilles anymore.
BTW: Many of these older Buffet mouthepiecs are in pristine condition and have seen minimal or no play. While I won't make any generalizations about used or older Kaspars, I would be surprised to find many Kaspars in equal condition. All the Kaspars I have seen have had the heck played out of them & look it.
Good luck all.
mw
Good luck.
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Author: Amanda Rose
Date: 2000-11-22 17:38
I was told by one of my teachers at a camp that Buffet mouthpieces are like plastic bundy mouthpieces. It isn't even worth playing on a buffet if you use that mouthpiece. (I have a Pyne and it works great with my R13)
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-11-22 21:51
Your teacher was talking about the mouthpieces that Buffet currently (& has for some time) supplied with their clarinets. Since Boosey & Hawkes bought Rico, we can expect to see more Rico mouthpieces inside Buffet clarinet cases when shipped from the factory.
I am sure everyone will agree that there is no "preferred mouthpiece" for an R-13. Its a very personal decision based upon personal factors.
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mw
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Author: Jim
Date: 2000-11-23 03:59
Interestingly, Muncy Winds sold me an R13 with no mouthpiece at all. (Their catalog and sales person did not mention this.) I guess this is part of their low price. ($1729 in August.) We had no intention of using it anyway so it was just as well. (There was no cork grease or swab in the case either.) My son uses a B45 with it.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2000-11-23 12:40
Author: Jim wrote:
Interestingly, Muncy Winds sold me an R13 with no mouthpiece at all. (Their catalog and sales person did not mention this.) I guess this is part of their low price. ($1729 in August.)
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I assumed the R-13 came with a mouthpiece. Better if it doesn't.
wwandbw said that the R-13 is on sale right now ($1,699). I hope it comes with a case
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-11-23 17:37
Muncy has also been "wholesale pricing" the new Buffet mouthpieces to get rid of them.
The WW&BW price includes the (faux leather) vinyl Buffet R-13 case, which is very nice.
BTW: Anybody buying a new clarinet should really consider one of these "buying services" whereby you pay a fee for the selection of a particular horn from a vendor. You make your best deal with the vendor & pay the artist $150 or so, it beats shipping many clarinets back & forth or making a mistake as to only one. Of course, results may vary and opinions are like derrieres ... everybody has one! :-) AND, of course a Teacher can be of infinite help & assistance in the choice as well. mw
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Author: Hot Joe
Date: 2000-11-24 07:11
I hate Muncy Winds. They ripped me off on this ligature refund. I called them to refund it, since I had a friend go turn it in w/ the receipt and everything. They told me okie dokie, and I waited for at least 2 months. I called them back and they said they were sorry and they would send it. I am still waiting to this day (two years) for them to send it.
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