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 It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2009-06-24 19:04

But it does show how important music has been to man ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/science/25flute.html

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: larryb 
Date:   2009-06-24 19:22

small bore, german sound to be sure - dark, focused, flexible.



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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2009-06-24 19:43

> small bore, german sound to be sure - dark, focused, flexible.

Yeah, but is it low pitch or high pitch?

I was amazed at the rounded/sunk finger holes.

--
Ben

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: skygardener 
Date:   2009-06-24 21:54

"It's not a clarinet ..."
- How can we be sure of that?

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Koo Young Chung 
Date:   2009-06-24 22:16

Because it's inside bore is not 14.60 mm?

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2009-06-25 03:11

Did you listen to the audio of the wooden replica of the ivory flute? If it was made accurately with the same proportions and hole spacing as the original, it is amazing how close to our standard scales it plays. With something 30,000 or more years old, doesn't it say something about how ingrained those scale systems are?

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: mrn 
Date:   2009-06-25 03:34

johng wrote:

> Did you listen to the audio of the wooden replica of the ivory
> flute? If it was made accurately with the same proportions and
> hole spacing as the original, it is amazing how close to our
> standard scales it plays.

That is remarkable. It sounds a lot like the black keys of a piano (pentatonic scale).

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: stevensfo 
Date:   2009-06-25 06:26

I can't help feeling a bit sad at the thought that they must have had music critics even in the stone age! ;-)

But I bet that a few strands of mammoth hair made a great ligature!

Steve



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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2009-06-25 11:10

Another interesting thing is that it appears to have been made by Neanderthals rather than "modern" Cro-Magnons. Music is universal.

The story and photo are about a newly discovered flute, but as I read it, the one played on the recording is a modern duplicate of a different instrument.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2009-06-25 11:16

Ken Shaw wrote:

> Another interesting thing is that it appears to have been made
> by Neanderthals rather than "modern" Cro-Magnons.

The article says "The Neanderthals, close human relatives, apparently left no firm evidence of having been musical.".

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: stevensfo 
Date:   2009-06-25 11:21

-- "Another interesting thing is that it appears to have been made by Neanderthals rather than "modern" Cro-Magnons. " --

I think you'll find that the article says the opposite.

Humans and neanderthals are believed to have co-existed for a long time but there is no evidence that they were musical. At least the way I read it.

But did neanderthals really die out?

Just tune in to any pop music station and......


Steve



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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2009-06-25 12:05

stevensfo wrote:

> But did neanderthals really die out?
>
> Just tune in to any pop music station and......

It suffices to open the "politics" page in your newspaper...plenty of evidence. [tongue]

--
Ben

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: skygardener 
Date:   2009-06-25 13:29

From the article- "Friedrich Seeberger, a German specialist in ancient music, reproduced the ivory flute in wood."
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It's really a shame that it was not produced with the same material. What's the point? Who knows what it really could have sounded like?  ;)



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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: larryb 
Date:   2009-06-25 14:32

I wonder why he chose to reproduce the ivory flute in wood, as opposed to hard rubber or "greenline" type material. The wood will only end up cracking. Where's the science?



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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2009-06-26 14:15

>>Who knows what it really could have sounded like? >>

Yes, enquiring minds want to know: Did it have a round, dark tone?

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: stevensfo 
Date:   2009-06-26 18:44

Of course, if after 35000 years the exact replica can play, can we please make the expression "blown out" illegal?


Steve

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 Re: It's not a clarinet ...
Author: Dan Oberlin 2017
Date:   2009-06-28 18:02

"One time" NYP clarinetist Daniel Wakin had a small piece about this on the second page of today's NY times "Week in Review" section.

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