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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-04 17:50
Attachment: noblet3.jpg (18k)
Attachment: Noblet.jpg (11k)
Hi,
please help. My son (35 year old sax, flute and oboe player but just at home and a amateur woodwind orchester) wants to play a bass clarinet .
I want to surprise hime with a gift (up to 1000 USD).
After reading a lot of postings I should decide now between a Yamaha 221 plastic clarinet and a Noblet in good playing condition (see atached photos). The Noblet has serialnumber 366 engraved (I guess this is old).
Both used horns will cost 1000 USD. Which should I take???
THANKS for your help
best regards
Willi
Post Edited (2008-12-04 17:51)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-04 18:11
I reckon the Noblet will be the better of the two, provided it's in excellent playing order and the middle joint doesn't rock.
Does it have a floor spike? You really want a bass with a floor spike.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-12-04 18:13)
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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-04 18:23
Yes has floor peg. I don´t know if they are in excellent playing con. (I´m a piano player and the clarinet is for my son).
They told me it´s ready to play and in good cond.
Is 1000USD too much?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2008-12-04 19:16
Well said, Chris YES a "peg". You may be able to get a used Good B C for 1000, it may still need some "tweaking". If at all possible, look for one with Double Register Keying, the "high" register tonehole/pad on the neck, my Selmer-Paris of some 1960's vintage keeps me happy in the lower clarion notes. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-04 20:04
I have to decide till next 6 hours. Should I go for the plastic Yamaha the Vintage Noblet (dealer said in good playing cond.) or should I wait till ....
THANKS
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Author: Geirskogul
Date: 2008-12-04 21:34
Go with whichever comes with a MP
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Author: Copland
Date: 2008-12-04 21:51
Perhaps you should tell him that you want to buy him a bass clarinet, and then let him search for one and try it out, etc. Obviously this isn't quite as surprising, but in the long run he might like being able to make his own decision.
Just a thought...
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Author: Geirskogul
Date: 2008-12-04 21:58
I'm a Yamaha fan
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2008-12-04 22:10
go with the noblet.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-04 22:23
Attachment: Aufzeichnen.JPG (64k)
As you see on the photo the Noblet has serial-number 336.
Is this possible??
I red differnet threads also saw a serialnumber list but no Noblet with 3 digits.
I attached an additional photo. Is this a really old one (when I look on the logo (it has the ND design) it say 1962 -1990).
I know this is somekind of stupid, but can you tell me if you see the photo if this one is 1000 USD worth?
Post Edited (2008-12-04 22:25)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-04 22:40
Maybe the seller can't read the serial number properly - it looks pretty good from the photos.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-12-04 22:40)
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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-04 22:46
Attachment: Noblet2.jpg (232k)
and there is the photo with the serial-number:
it´s really 3 digits. Is this possible??
Thanks again
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2008-12-04 23:02
From the style of the logo on Noblet it definitely predates the mid 1960's but on other hand some of the old Noblets are better than the more recent models.
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-12-05 06:55
Willi - I see that you are posting from Austria.
Most clarinet players in German and Austria prefer a different design of clarinet (different keywork) from that used elsewhere in the world.
The Noblet and Yamaha are both "rest-of-the-world" instruments.
You need to find out what system your son plays. If he plays Oehler or German or Austrian system, he won't thank you for these instruments.
If he plays Boehm or French system, go right ahead.
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Author: Willi111
Date: 2008-12-05 08:00
My son plays the Boehm-System. What´s your suggestion to go with?
Yamaha 221 plastic fpr 900 USD
Vito 7166 for 600 USD
Noblet (Vintage) for 1000 USD
(all of them are in a "good" playable condition.
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-12-05 08:06
Willi - I'm not a bass expert, but I would suspect the Noblet is the better value for money at the prices you quote, provided it genuinely is in good condition and the wood is not cracked.
Recent plastic Yamaha basses (branded 221 II) are reputed to be very good. The older ones are a different design and are less well thought of. I suspect the "221" you have been offered may be this older design.
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