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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-09-21 22:00
I have been invited to play with a small group of people who are all above me in ability (including my teacher) we meet once a month and I just went for the second time on Saturday and had a fabulous time playing quartet/choir music. I would love to get our little group adagio for strings by barber for next month. where do i get choir music?
thank you
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-09-21 22:43
What a fantastic piece of music. I know there is a good clarinet choir arrangement of this because I use to do it when I taught at Towson U and had a choir. I can't remember the publisher but you should try the online music stores. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457 Listen to a little Mozart
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-09-21 22:51
I hate to be equally unhelpful, but for others knowledge there is also an arrangement for woodwind choir...cl/fl/sax (I can't remember if there are double reeds).
It is arranged by O'Reilly, and Luyben has it but NOT the clarinet choir version.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-09-21 23:53
I have it but only in handwritten score form. It was a copy from a long time ago. Contact me offline if you'd like me to send it to you.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: redwine
Date: 2008-09-21 23:54
Hello,
If you're a member of the ICA, you can also check it out from the ICA collection of clarinet scores housed at the University of Maryland. You can even call them up and pay for them to ship scores anywhere. I checked out the Adagio for Strings for a concert I did about a year or two ago. Their website is www.clarinet.org, then find the tab on the left for research. Good luck!
Ben Redwine, DMA
owner, RJ Music Group
Assistant Professor, The Catholic University of America
Selmer Paris artist
www.rjmusicgroup.com
www.redwinejazz.com
www.reedwizard.com
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2008-09-22 12:00
We bought the Adagio for Strings arranged for Clarinet Choir by Lucien Cailliet from Schirmer, and at that time since it was out of print they sold us a certified copy of what was in their library. Each part is stamped by the publisher. That took a couple of phone calls to arrange.
We weren't entirely satisfied with the arrangement since it allows the clarinets to go too high, which can be painful to listen to. Violins can sound tender at those heights, but 7 clarinets sound a lot different than violins. So in a previous thread several years ago someone offered another arrangement... I'd have to search to find it. The arrangement that Richard Stolzman plays is different from this one and isn't shrill at all.
Probably a bright member of your choir could make those small changes for you, but it would be best to contact the publisher to get written permission to change it for the purpose of public performance.
The piece is a gorgeous one, and if played sensitively it can give chills. At that time our choir didn't have the patience to play it as slowly and as richly as it deserves but maybe in time. Now that you've brought up the topic maybe I'll recommend bringing this out of the moth balls for this season's concert.
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Author: janlynn
Date: 2008-09-22 12:56
we dont perform. just get together for the fun of it. i went to the link provided but couldnt figure out how to actually buy it.
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-22 14:45
You can apparently also buy a copy from J.W. Pepper of the Cailliet arrangement (although it's out of print, so you can only buy what they have left in stock, assuming they have any):
http://www.jwpepper.com
Just key in the catalog # 956615 up at the upper right of the screen.
Post Edited (2008-09-22 14:46)
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2008-09-22 14:53
As I mentioned above, in order to get our piece I had to be determined and phone around. Simply placing an internet order could prompt a computer's response of "no longer in stock" but a phone call could set in motion some searching into the back rooms or the offer of a certified copy.
At the moment I'm tracking down some other leads that came from the 2002 discussion on this Bulletin Board (search: Adagio for Strings and look for the 2002 posts). This morning I received an email that guided me to another source of a different arrangement, so this is still a work in progress.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2008-09-22 15:16
If all else fails, if you or someone in your group has (and knows how to use) notation software that can import midi files, there are a number of midi versions of this work on the web that could be arranged/transposed for your group.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-09-22 16:06
By all means get the Stoltzman/Opperman Clarinet Choir recording, which is on a couple of Stoltzman CDs. It's an amazing performance, anchored by Dennis Smylie on contra, who plays it better than everybody.
Ken Shaw
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-22 16:11
janlynn wrote:
> mrn I tried it. its out of print.
Sorry to hear that. I really like the way this piece sounds when played by a clarinet choir.
You know, I just pulled out my Barber's Adagio CD and noticed that the Stoltzman version only lasts about 4:30, whereas the original string version and the Cailliet arrangement last about 8 minutes. It appears Stoltzman edied out the "shrill" part.
I found a website where you can listen to a recording of Lucien Calliet conducting his own clarinet choir in his arrangement of this piece:
http://www.michlinmusic.com/audio.html
(See also this message from Klarinet about the website: http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/1969/12/000021.txt)
One thing that struck me about the Cailliet arrangement is that it sounds a whole tone lower than the original piece (as if the Bb clarinets are playing the violin notes as original written for violin). The Stoltzman recording, on the other hand, is in the original key. This may not bother you like it does me, but for whatever reason I find the lower key less musically interesting and bit dark for my taste.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-09-22 17:14
Again I have this arrangement for full clarinet choir. The Eb plays the high stuff and there are also alto and contra alto parts. It is not the out of print version or the other one mentioned. If your interested contact me offline and I might be able to help
Peter Cigleris
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-09-22 17:23
The version I have was adapted by John Wesley Banker n 1997.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: redwine
Date: 2008-09-23 10:42
Hello,
I've played the Cailliet version several times. The e-flat part goes up to a written high f, if memory serves. It's not too high and a good e-flat player won't play it "shrilly". It's such a great piece of music and translates to the clarinets well, in my opinion.
Ben Redwine, DMA
owner, RJ Music Group
Assistant Professor, The Catholic University of America
Selmer Paris artist
www.rjmusicgroup.com
www.redwinejazz.com
www.reedwizard.com
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-23 11:23
>> One thing that struck me about the Cailliet arrangement is
>> that it sounds a whole tone lower than the original.... I find
>> the lower key less musically interesting and bit dark
I think I heard the original once, so I don't know about the transposition. I listened to the version in the link, and it had some especially good moments where the out of tune unisons gave a very interesting synth type of sound, sometimes also in the chords (where several unisons weren't in tune). Maybe a little similar to some stuff by Philip Glass on synths. But as a complete piece playing a whole tone lower was the least of the problems....
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-09-23 13:31
clarnibass wrote:
> But as
> a complete piece playing a whole tone lower was the least of
> the problems....
On that recording, that's definitely true. But I think the problems heard on the recording are more performance problems than they are problems with the arrangement--you can fix intonation issues, for instance.
The transposition, on the other hand, is obviously due to the arrangement. Having heard this piece played so many times, my ear expects to hear a concert Bb as the first note and instead it's an Ab, which to me just doesn't have the same effect. I know I'm probably a nut for thinking this.
Post Edited (2008-09-23 13:32)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-09-24 07:34
>> I think the problems heard on the recording
>> are more performance problems than they are
>> problems with the arrangement
Maybe more performance than arrangement but I think overall it's both.
>> Having heard this piece played so many times, my ear expects to hear a
>> concert Bb as the first note and instead it's an Ab, which to me just
>> doesn't have the same effect. I know I'm probably a nut for thinking this.
Not a nut, but it reminds me of something. For the sound of the text messages in my phone I put a small part of a clarinet solo. It starts on Bb (concert Ab). The sound of it coming out of the (reasonable but not really good) phone speaker is a little similar to some car horns, and it turns out many cars have a horn that is concert Ab (in the same octave - the throat Bb). Now every time I hear a car horn (which happens very often here!) that is an Ab there is a short moment that I expect that melody to continue... and then it doesn't.... 
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-09-24 11:41
"You can apparently also buy a copy from J.W. Pepper of the Cailliet arrangement (although it's out of print, so you can only buy what they have left in stock, assuming they have any):"
I placed an order with them and they confirmed that no stock remains.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2008-09-24 20:59
There are other arrangements to be had, I found two sources by doing some investigation over two days. Janlynn has been emailed letting her know of one of these sources. It's amazing what some dogged persistence can turn up.
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