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Author: clarienet
Date: 2008-08-31 20:46
I was looking forword to buying the new supposivly amazing coco bolo barrel. But, I didn't want to get it until I got a lot of tips and oppinions. Can anyone help? I notice alot of people say they are good. I am getting close to getting one.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2008-08-31 20:50
They work great, the same way 20" wheels make Hyundais hot.
Unless you have tuning problems, your stock barrel is fine.
There are more productive things to spend money on to improve your clarinet playing; lessons and reeds foremost.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-08-31 21:18
They're fantastic, if you get the right one for your clarinets and mouthpiece. It depends on the bore and the craftsmanship. I use the Backun barrels on all my clarinets made with cocobolo wood and I love them. You have to try them and find the right fit. It's as much the way it's made as the wood it's made of. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457 Listen to a little Mozart, on a Backun cocobolo barrel
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-08-31 23:20
Well Ed for you the Backun cocobollo barrel is great but for example Guy Chadash says that they kill the ring in the tone and why should you change you did choose your clarinet with the stock barrel and bell. Everyone has different opinion.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-08-31 23:46
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> for
> example Guy Chadash says that they kill the ring in the tone
Guy Chadash can't speak for everyone, can he? Just because someone says "A" doesn't mean "A" is universally true. Or true at all.
There was another post recently which stated that an A barrel can't possibly work on a Bb clarinet (or vice versa, it makes no difference). But, again, that can't be universally true, because someone, somewhere, is doing just that and it's working just fine.
Don't believe everything you read or hear.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-09-01 00:04
They are different.
Whether they are better or not is a matter of aural and functional preferance.
Also, be aware that not all of them are the same, even among those produced by the same maker, even if they are equal in shape, length, and internal archetecture.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-09-01 00:56
Mark don't read too fast. I said at the bottom of my post that everyone have different opinion.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-09-01 01:39
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> Mark don't read too fast. I said at the bottom of my post that
> everyone have different opinion.
I read your post quite thoroughly, thank you.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-09-01 03:04
Mark your post sounded as I had said that Guy Chadash was speaking for everyone. And I didn't said that I believe what he said and in fact I don't believe it.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-09-01 03:07
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> And I didn't said that I believe what he
> said and in fact I don't believe it.
Then why quote him (if indeed it is a quote from Guy - I only have your word for it at the moment)?
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Author: marshall
Date: 2008-09-01 03:25
I just tried a bunch of MoBa (the Morales/Backun) barrels that my friend has on trial...I tried to cocobolo one that he's settled on and it plays wonderfully. It's smooth throughout the registers and articulates exceptionally well. However...I believe that (like mouthpieces) the material doesn't matter as much as the craftsmanship. I played another cocobolo barrel that he had and I absolutely hated it.
Get some Backun barrels out on trial. When you order them, look at the Studio ones. The studio ones are all the models, except they all have minor cosmetic flaws (like small nicks or botched logos). They don't play any differently and are half the price ($125 for all Studios...well over $200 for the cosmetically perfect ones).
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Author: donald
Date: 2008-09-01 06:12
Mr Segal wins the prize for best and most informative post.
dn
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-09-01 13:28
Ice, you have to read the beginning of my post. “They're fantastic, if you get the right one for your clarinets and mouthpiece. It depends on the bore and the craftsmanship”. Thank you Alan!
I have a lot of respect for the work that Guy Chadash does, he custom made one my of barrels that I used before my Backuns while I was in his shop and did not leave until I was completely satisfied. When I changed to the cocobolo barrels, and I tried many, it was because I thought they have a richer tone quality, easier to play in tune and more focus, and I still do. Guy makes his own barrels so of course he thinks his are superior to others, probably most manufactures think that way, that doesn’t make it so. Why would so many great players play on a variety of equipment if one was superior to all? Try before you buy. ESP
www.peaody.jhu.edu/457 Listen to a little Mozart, on a Backun cocobolo barrel
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-09-01 15:30
Beneath my workbench is a bucket....it is full of Cocobolo barrel corpses that I rejected.*
It is also full of rejected Kingwood and Grenadilla barrels.
Why?
Despite measuring up to specs, they just lack that extra zing or response. And it has NOTHING to do with grain, smoothness, porosity, eveness, knot holes or woodpecker pits...it is all about the sound.
You know a good one when you hear/play it.
And know this well......Poor playing and inadequate tonal support will trump a great barrel any day....the wrong way!
* and I do not doubt that other artisans have the same pile, destined for cue stick banding and decorative inlays. Right, Morrie?
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-09-01 17:57
100% of makers have rejects, and many of them.
But what factor makes one barrel good, and another of the same dimensions bad? Is it that the absolutely can't exactly duplicate the dimensions, or is it due to the piece of wood?
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-09-01 19:02
David, to answer your question:
Yes.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2008-09-01 21:02)
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2008-09-01 19:34
Mark just to show a different opinion on the topic. Sure I might have just said some professional clarinetist instead of say his name.
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